Manual - Installing Windows 7 on G3-572

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  • Red-Sand
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    @sri369 Have you any experience with linux on the Helios? I've heard the new beta Proton Steam WINE works with almost every AAA title.
    - Hotel Hero
  • sri369
    sri369 ACE Posts: 2,623 Pathfinder
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    Red-Sand said:
    Bummer, thanks for checking though
    Red, personally I didn't see a need for controlling fan speeds for my system is significantly cooler on 7 compared to 10.
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    sri369 ACE Posts: 2,623 Pathfinder
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    Red-Sand said:
    @sri369 Have you any experience with linux on the Helios? I've heard the new beta Proton Steam WINE works with almost every AAA title.
    Nah, didn't venture into that yet. All my games are on windows. For Linux, I use a VM and that pretty much suffices all my needs.
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  • sri369
    sri369 ACE Posts: 2,623 Pathfinder
    edited September 2018
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    JackE said:
    Minor issues @Red-Sand. @sri369 's next job will probably be to show that Win7 can run under UEFI-only since Intel threatens to soon drop legacy support. Maybe even on a GPT drive. Microsoft will then release DX12.1 to correct the error of their Win10 ways and be forced to go back to the future or get eaten alive by some Linux distro. And ACER will have just follow suit with all their nifty fan-control & quickaccess bloatware. We don't play games here when it comes to playing games.  =) Jack E/NJ

    https://forums.windowssecrets.com/showthread.php/170141-Does-Win7-support-UEFI
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-were-ending-all-legacy-bios-support-by-2020/ 

    100% with you. MS will be in real trouble if they forced game makers drop support for DX 11 and forced them to be on DX 12. Windows 7 is going to be there for quite some time, maybe until Windows comes up with 11 or 12. Neither people nor organizations are happy with the mode of 10. Even in my work place, there are people who are pushing our IT support to image 7 or CentOS instead of 10. Just the way people are finding with Oracle's new mode of releasing a new java version every 6 months. This kind forced obsoleting of software and forced updated of OS don't go well with many institutions, however hard windows might push it.

    I do wish Acer had released drivers for both 7 and 10, instead of just 10. Asus does this for many of their laptops and this I really loved.

    Attached is a 3rd party survey of what people think of 10 and its model - modelled into a 5 question survey. I do not own this and chanced on this a few days ago.

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  • Nashmad
    Nashmad Member Posts: 3 New User
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    Hey, I have the G3 572 with windows 10 on the ssd, I want to boot windows 7 on the HDD. Is dual booting possible?
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 44,483 Trailblazer
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    Probably yes. But you'll then have to enter the BIOS to change from UEFI to Legacy to boot the MBR partitioned Win7 HDD. Then change it back from Legacy to UEFI to boot the GPT partitioned SSD. However, Win7 may not have all the compatible device drivers.

    Probably easier to dual boot LinuxMint Cinnamon 19.2. It should have all the device drivers and can be easily configured to have almost the same look, feel and function of Win7. With the added benefit of being able to fully access and use the Win10 partition.

    Jack E/NJ

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  • sri369
    sri369 ACE Posts: 2,623 Pathfinder
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    Nashmad said:
    Hey, I have the G3 572 with windows 10 on the ssd, I want to boot windows 7 on the HDD. Is dual booting possible?
    1. Nope, not easy - Windows 10 kills all boot managers of 7. Also, windows 7 will not see GPT based disks for boot disks.
    2. You would need to install windows 10 onto a MBR disk (instead of GPT) if you wanted to try the hard way for it. To do this you would need to clean install after wiping entire SSD and setting it to MBR disk.
    3. I have 10 installed and 7 in a VM for when I need it.
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  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 44,483 Trailblazer
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    Nashmad is talking about  leaving the GPT boot SSD alone. I'm suggesting that he make the HDD the MBR Win7 boot disk for which he'd have to change the UEFI-Legacy mode each time he wanted to boot from one to the other. Not a good idea in my opinion because Win7 device drivers likely not all there for the G3.  Jack E/NJ.

    Jack E/NJ

  • sri369
    sri369 ACE Posts: 2,623 Pathfinder
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    JackE said:
    Nashmad is talking about  leaving the GPT boot SSD alone. I'm suggesting that he make the HDD the MBR Win7 boot disk for which he'd have to change the UEFI-Legacy mode each time he wanted to boot from one to the other. Not a good idea in my opinion because Win7 device drivers likely not all there for the G3.  Jack E/NJ.
    True... that's a pain finding drivers for newer laptops. And leaving SSD on GPT will need him switch between boot type whenever he wants to switch OSes.
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  • xapim
    xapim ACE Posts: 7,257 Pathfinder
    edited December 2019
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    I completely agree and the easiest option its to use it on vm works fine anyway and avoid all the uefi mbr/gpt incompatibility hassle


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  • Nashmad
    Nashmad Member Posts: 3 New User
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    Thanks for your feedback. I'll keep using vm windows 7, feel its not worth the hassle for just a couple of applications.
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 44,483 Trailblazer
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    What Win7 apps? Jack E/NJ

    Jack E/NJ

  • Nashmad
    Nashmad Member Posts: 3 New User
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    What Win7 apps?
    Mainly for a USB audio interface which supports only windows xp to 7. Have issues with latency and bsod on win 10.
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 44,483 Trailblazer
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    Have you tried installing WinXP/Win7 audio interface software under Win10's WinXP or Win7 compatibility mode?  Jack E/NJ

    Jack E/NJ

  • babdestroyer14
    babdestroyer14 Member Posts: 3 New User
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    Will this work on an acer aspire 3 (A315-34) laptop? I want to install WIN7 on mine as a side project and this is the best guide I've found yet. I have a 16GB flash drive and a usable WIN7 iso. The laptop has 128gb storage and is currently running WIN10. I do not want to keep anything from the original computer and am fine wiping everything clean because it is not my primary computer.

  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 44,483 Trailblazer
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    Yes, if BIOS boot tab offers legacy mode. However, Win7 device drivers may not be available for some hardware which may limit usefulness.

    Jack E/NJ

  • sri369
    sri369 ACE Posts: 2,623 Pathfinder
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    Enable Legacy mode, install Windows 7. If you feel you are missing drivers, take an image backup of the system, and use any missing driver installer tool to fetch the missing drivers. Personally I use the open source tool "Snappy Driver Installer Origin".

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  • babdestroyer14
    babdestroyer14 Member Posts: 3 New User
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    I started attempting at installing windows 7 today. My process went through creating a bootable USB with Rufus (4.2.2074). I used a video tutorial and selected "Standard Windows installation", "GPT", "UEFI (non CSM)", "NTFS" and "4096 bytes (Default)". I used another video tutorial to install the drivers onto that bootable USB with the GIGABYTE Windows USB Installation Tool that supports AMD series motherboards since it was specified in the video. I plugged it into my laptop, entered BIOS, my legacy boot option was grayed out and I had no touchpad option in main. I've tried most results for solving the grayed out boot option (disabled secure boot, chipset SATA mode was already set to AHCI and had no other options, disabled TPM, had no TPP option, and attempted to disable modern standby but my laptop did not support it in the first place) but nothing worked and it's still grayed out. I tried booting from USB on UEFI mode and it just gave me the 0xc000000d error. I could've used the wrong driver installation tool on the USB, but I still do not know how to enable legacy boot.

  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 44,483 Trailblazer
    edited October 2023
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    Win7 installation boot stick must be for MBR not GPT partition scheme. Try setting & saving BIOS supervisor password. Then re-enter BIOS with the password to see if Legacy or CSM mode can then be enabled. Any hidden BIOS options are revealed by pressing Ctrl+S.

    Jack E/NJ

  • babdestroyer14
    babdestroyer14 Member Posts: 3 New User
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    I have a BIOS supervisor password but this does not fix the greyed out Legacy Boot problem. Ctrl+S doesn't seem to do anything. My BIOS is InsydeH20 Setup Utility Rev 5.0 Insyde Corp. V1.06 4/12/2019, would updating solve the problem or just make it worse?