Optane H10 on Intel i7 7th gen Predator?

SH4D0WBROK3R
SH4D0WBROK3R Member Posts: 6

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edited November 2023 in 2020 Archives
I'm asking this as for 2 things, see if anyone has tried it and also because I have a friend with a matter of urgency to grab some data from her SSD as her Lenovo laptop doesn't work anymore.

Anyone has done this? Results, I know Intel says it only works for 8th and 9th gen and whatever comes next, but I'd like to know if anyone has tried!

I might try during this days if I travel where she lives, her H10 is the 32GB+512GB version.

Thanks everyone!

Answers

  • What is your notebook model? Example an515-51-75kz. In addition, does your bios feature rst with optane or rst with premium optane? In addition, the chipset must be compatible. I know that the H10 is an optane + ssd memory. Now, I think (I'm not 100% sure) that there is a possibility that the motherboard recognizes only the part related to ssd, even if it is not compatible with the optane memory.
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  • SH4D0WBROK3R
    SH4D0WBROK3R Member Posts: 6

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    This is what I have, and yeah, I've read somewhere else that the SSD part might be readable without any trouble, what it wouldn't work is the Optane part.



  • Exactly. The h10 device has an optane + ssd memory. for optane memory to work, the bios must provide a function called rst with optane or rst with premium optane. However, although the optane memory doesn't work, I believe that only ssd can be recognized by the bios.
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  • xapim
    xapim ACE Posts: 7,253 Pathfinder
    edited July 2020
    SH4D0WBROK3R optane memory (the normal before intel merged it in the H10) cannot be used as storage and will use one m.2 slots its a waste of money it was a cheaper way to make normal hdds faster whne the ssds were too expensive these days no one use it anymore it was a badly failed intel technology its simply dead even to accelerate hdds or server racks now they use a nvme ssd or some even use a 2.5" ssd to cache only do do exactly what optane was designed to at a much lower price and much more memory size to use i have seen linus use a 8tb 2.5 ssd drive used as cache for the storinators they have for faster access to the hdds nothing else the optane its memory alone (same happens if you use a full drive as cache only) its not readable only acts as a cache memory and thats about it it stops being a drive when properly configured as cache acting exactly the same way as the ram.

    Yes @egydiocoelho is  completely correct about the H10 and what it does but this was also again one more kinda useless attempt to salvage the previous failure and for all the money they spent on R&D and to push ppl to use their proprietary optane memory merged with a drive because their optane memory alone was a huge market failure before so they had to try something different to try to save their optane brand (but at which cost?).

    My personal view in all of this for starters its not worth high the price intel slaps on it might as well get a wdblue m.2 2tb ssd much cheaper than a H10 512gb and about the same price of the 1tb version also its more than enough for normal daily usage/gaming or for those who do rendering/content creation should get nvme instead even getting nvme its even cheaper intel always had higher prices than everyone else when it comes to drives they probably think they are the best in everything (a bit like apple youre just paying for the logo on it) but they are wrong i wouldnt buy any overpriced drives from them just because they are intel branded not really worth it  even 1tb of wd blue sn550 nvme its half price of a 1tb H10 optane  and the speeds are exactly the same if not even better anyway this is only my personal comparison and view everyone is free to spend their money in whatever they feel like to but the facts proof that spending money on optane H10 its not really a good investment when much more options and cheaper are available these days 

    PS: If you really want to see what u have its not the dx diagnostic page that will show you the hardware theres nothing there regarding your hardware at all (thats only the minimum info about your os/ram etc ) use hwinfo thats the proper way to see exactly all the hardware you have


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  • SH4D0WBROK3R
    SH4D0WBROK3R Member Posts: 6

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    @xapim You do realize what the Optane H10 is, right?

    If it was a normal Optane SSD cache I wouldn't have bothered at all.
  • xapim
    xapim ACE Posts: 7,253 Pathfinder
    edited July 2020
    SH4D0WBROK3R yes its a ssd m.2 drive with a optane cache chip but as i said not worth the money if you do your comparisons with the actually  existing drives either sata/nvme on the market now some are even faster and cheaper than the H10 its just overpriced as all intel hardware

    Also normal optane its not a drive its just a single cache chip used mainly in the old days to cache and speed up normal hdds (this was a cheap option for manufacturers to ship laptops with hdds only) but not very viable thats why mainly all of them gave up on it not profitable neither has today's ssd speeds


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    CPU: Intel Core i5-7300HQ - 63.5%
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1050-Ti (Mobile) - 41.9%
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    HDD: WD WD10SPZX-00HKTT0 1TB - 93.7%
    RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR4 2666 C15 2x16GB - 76.8%
    MBD: Acer Predator G3-572

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  • SH4D0WBROK3R
    SH4D0WBROK3R Member Posts: 6

    Tinkerer

    I think we ended up someplace else, the idea of the post was mainly for compatibility because of the need to retrieve data out of the H10 that I mentioned, I already have an ADATA XPG SX8100 1TB version on my system so I think that's fast enough for me.

    The idea of the post was for mere help with the issue my friend is passing by.

    Thanks!
  • xapim
    xapim ACE Posts: 7,253 Pathfinder
    edited July 2020
    SH4D0WBROK3R the compatibility should work without any issues and regarding retrieving the data its normal as any other drive but only from the drive space itself the optane chipset storage size its not accessible as it only serves to cache but as i said yeah works same as a normal drive regarding data storage after all its a pcie 3.0 should work fine on 7th gen too as 7th gen also supports nvme hope it helps in any way :)

    Another thing you can try for data retrieval would be getting a m.2 usb adapter (the  drive as a whole has a PCIe 3.0 x4 interface but each of the two SSD controllers gets just two PCIe lanes) so according to this it works as a pcie 3.0 x2  which technically should work fine on any m.2 usb adapter would make life much easier to backup any files from the drive without having to disassemble the laptop in order to use it internally thats exactly how i cloned my stock m.2 128gb ssd into my new 2tb got a dual 2.5" sata enclosure adapter (just because i can use 2 m.2 drives as storage if i need to) and can boot the stock drive from a sata usb adapter or even a dock without having to use it internally here are some good options from startech i have the 25S22M2NGFFR

    https://www.startech.com/Search?search_term=m.2+adapter


    https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/11532543

    UserBenchmarks: Game 43%, Desk 61%, Work 40%
    CPU: Intel Core i5-7300HQ - 63.5%
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1050-Ti (Mobile) - 41.9%
    SSD: WDC WDS200T2B0B-00YS70 2TB - 71.4%
    HDD: WD WD10SPZX-00HKTT0 1TB - 93.7%
    RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR4 2666 C15 2x16GB - 76.8%
    MBD: Acer Predator G3-572

    I'm not an Acer employee. (just here to help in the best way i can)
    If my answer fixed you issue please accept it for any other users who search for it would find it quickly thanks :)
    If you want to learn more about undervolting/optimizing windows join the Predator fb group and youtube channel:

    Owner/Admin (HOTEL HERO/Red-Sand/Opoka Opoka)
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