Aspire One AO533 or Happy with Atomn455 ram limits the OS that limits the maximum supported RAM?

henman
henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
edited April 2023 in Aspire Laptops
yes I have an anemic dinosaur with an Intel N455 Atom 1.66ghz CPU and the Happy have this as well. 
A while back I upgraded the ram from a useless 1gb to 2gb, upgraded to SSD, and I'm dual booting Win 7 Home Premium and Ununtu Linux and I'm wondering has anybody taken a chance and tried 4gb of RAM? 
Is it the CPU,hardware, or the OS that limits the maximum supported RAM?
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  • billsey
    billsey ACE Posts: 34,584 Trailblazer
    Although the NM10 Express Chipset supports 4GB, the motherboard is specced to only work with 2GB max. I'd guess they don't have the other address bit populated. I suppose it wouldn't be too expensive to try, in case they did put that trace on though...


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  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 45,080 Trailblazer
    >>>I'm wondering has anybody taken a chance and tried 4gb of RAM? >>>

    For about $10 with free shipping from Amazon, of course it might be recognized by the BIOS and work with a heftier operating system like Windows or Linux 64 bit. But then again it might not. Are you perhaps looking for a 100% guarantee on a $10 bet?    :)   Jack E/NJ



    Jack E/NJ

  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    Yes they aren't that expensive? but what a crappy job to replace. There are warnings on YouTube about the number of chips to watch out for as well with one video showing how he got the wrong ram with 8 chips instead of 4 and it didn't work! Pop the keyboard to gain access to 6 screws to remove the back cover to gain access to a stick of RAM? Lame in all way shape and form when a little access panel on the back for the RAM and another for the HHD would make more sense like on other older laptops I have such as an HP and IBM. A big thumbs down here for Acer. Oh the $10 isn't so cheap after all! A logical answer to my question would be from somebody who actually tried this🤔  As for the specs billsey presented ANYBODY with one of these atom n455 knows 1gb with Win7 Starter Edition is a lame duck. Starter Edition is a stripped down lite version and it struggles with 1gb and should have never been 1 in the first place. 2 is an improvement and in reality that Atom is nothing more than a smart phone CPU! Years ago I phoned Acer for a stick and all they would sell me was a 1gb because this is what they came out with so guess what? Upgradeable isn't in Acer vocabulary. I didn't feel like ripping it all apart just to get a manufactures part number to spech it out and put it all back together while I wait 2-3 weeks for something that may or may not work. 
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 45,080 Trailblazer
    Starter was well-known to be a poor choice shortly after it debuted over 10 years ago. Many of the first netbooks with atoms were admittedly works in progress. They were meant for the sub$200 PC marketplace a decade ago. They were a poor choice then and now for upgrading. Like many android and pared down windows tablets, they weren't meant to be easily upgradeable, user serviceable or disassembled without using a crowbar or tire iron. You can save yourself a lot of headaches if you still want something more polished a bit later in that era, Get a netbook with a full blown CPU and 64-bit OS like a pre-owned AO722 from ebay. About $50. One screw and the whole back slides off for complete accessibility to the mainboard and removables. Usually comes with 2GB with factory 64-bit HomePremium. Easily upgradeable to 4GB. I've got one going now dual booting with the latest Mint19.3 on a 1TB SSD set up with the same, look feel and functionality of Microsoft's last halfway decent system, Win7-64 only much faster and can use just about all of Microsoft's latest productivity suites if that's what you're into.  Jack E/NJ

    Jack E/NJ

  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    This AO533 is actually performing very well with Win7 Home Premium 32 and yes to those that don't know this Netbook is also 64 bit as well. 
    Yes Starter was a dog that Microsoft punished us with and limited is an understatement! 
    No multiple monitor capabilities, 32 bit only and limited to 2GB of RAM and the 1GB installed was a good way to make your product look and perform poorly!
     Oh and while we are at it in support questions and answers mention that the RAM and HHD are not replaceable but meanwhile the previous model which I think is an AO520 has a removable panel to replace the RAM! 
    Talk about a total step backwards to say the least!
    I will see if I can get my hands on a 4GB stick of RAM and giver a go! Quite a lot of possible reasons for the mention of 2GB limits as Win7 Starter only supports a max 2GB and is this why they say a limit of 2GB? 
    Again if I find a good used proper 4GB I will give it a try and let you know what works.
    I have purchased RAM online for my other older laptops and with two identical modules one was accepted and one wasn't so many things have to be taken into account especially with ***** coming from questionable places!
    Perhaps CPU or Hardware which I find hard to believe if this CPU is 64 which it is?
    Now take my Gigabyte AM3 which is my streaming device of which the manufacturer has it limited to 8GB max which is nonsense! I have an MSI Krait Edition Motherboard and it had 16GB of RAM and I tried it in the Gigabyte and well well well it detected 16GB in the BIOS, Windows 64 and Linux 64 detect it so that nonsense is debunked!
    Back when Win 10 first came out I tried it on this N455 Atom Bomb and surprisingly EVERYTHING installed like it was meant to without a hitch and by everything I mean all hardware devices and drivers which was quite a surprise! 
    I have newer hardware and one Gigabyte AM3 motherboard that is slightly newer has on board AGP but no support for Win 10 drivers so I had to disable it in BIOS and install a GPU and now it is my Media steamer running Win 10 for Netflix and Prime Video.
    My experience with 10 on this AO533 was slower or almost comparable to Win 7 Starter Edition running or should I say stumbling with 1GB of RAM!
    One problem is this was the very 1st addition of 10 and I yanked it out to soon as there were numerous updates including updates for improved performance.
    I was tempted to update to 8.1 because it will be supported until 2023 but I haven't yet and perhaps I will give 10 another try.
    I wish it was the AO722 with AMD but this is what I got. 
    On eBay perhaps $50 but 35% more tacked on for exchange and another $30++ for shipping makes this a thumbs down. May as well purchase a refurb on Newegg for the same price except newer and a bigger processor as well.

    It is now to the point where there should be threads about how well legacy hardware is running on Win 10 and what is required or has been done to make it perform better and I will give a search on this as well. One thing that most certainly helped was throwing out the 5400 RPM HHD and replacing with SSD!
     They continue to drop in price as well!
  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    BTW JackE other than Win7 Home Premium I'm dual booting Zorin Linux as well. I think I will throw Ubuntu back in with a few more whistles and bells as this is a lite version of Zorin. Win 10 is harder to get a dual boot going than Win 7 as well but I'm sure they got this figured out now.
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 45,080 Trailblazer
    >>>Again if I find a good used proper 4GB I will give it a try and let you know what works.>>>


    Jack E/NJ

    Jack E/NJ

  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    Much faster getting one locally or at the neighboring city. Also I can giver a try to see if it will work because some of the shops know how questionable ram upgrades or attempted upgrades can be and let you give a test run in shop. In the case of this POS a piece of bubble wrap to lay it down on and a plastic knife or quitar pick to disassemble. What a joke!! A plastic knife or guitar pick to release the hidden keyboard retainers in an attempt to raise the keyboard to get to six screws below the keyboard just to allow the bottom to be ripped off to get to the ram!! I can just imagine how many ended up in the recycle bin or hurled against a brick wall because of such total stupidity of design!! As mentioned before I have some other older laptops and got some offshore modules that were new and some worked and some didn't. Same make, model as well in duplicates. Still have it laying around and it was much cheaper than $32 which is my cost for the ram as per your link. 
  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    Need I say more LMAO! Mine is even the same color. 
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ttWH_DwUI
    My first upgrade was at one of our local shops and he had a leftover 2GB module left over from a previous upgrade and 2GB was the only scraps he had laying around. Anyway it was poke and hope, like in the video. Poke in the new stick, hope and pray in a test boot. 
    Despite being anemic and difficult  to work on I still have enough pity to overcome resentment and use something soft to minimize carnage while going through all of this for what should be a simple task. 
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 45,080 Trailblazer
    Have fun. Jack E/NJ

    Jack E/NJ

  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    Well one thing is for sure after finding a service manual on line and she is wrong in the video about the screws! The one she says painted black and leave alone is one of two to remove and a second on the right side marked with the same ID as the other on the left upper side. Two not six or seven. 
    I tried a stick with the same specs as my 2gb except 4gb and was greeted with a black screen so no go on that one. Before I throw in the towel perhaps I will try 8500 instead of 10600. I'm able to return the RAM and will take the Acer to the place that sold me the RAM and try a different flavor. Otherwise it's presently chugging along with Win10 Pro64 and Ubuntu 18.04.3
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 45,080 Trailblazer
    Well, if you haven't done so already, you could always gamble some more. Try the last BIOS v1.7 release. It might recognize 4GB.  Or it might brick the machine.  https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/2470?b=1 Jack E/NJ

    Jack E/NJ

  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    I updated to that quite a while ago.
    In 20 years I only bricked one motherboard due to not being able to find an exact bios flash for a discontinued early 2000's name brand PC with horrible support and proprietary hardware. Boot floppy flashing is how I had to do most including my 1998 Legend QDI P6I440BX BrillianX 1S and this one at least twice, to update from P2 to P3 so my P3-450 would work and  again so I could update the 6.4gb hard drive to 50gb LMAO Modern tech with 3 ISA slots and 4 PCI with a very crude AGP slot. Many would look at it and ask what an ISA slot is. Yes I still have it and it works great! Maybe Windows 7 will run on it as it handled XP very well.  
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 45,080 Trailblazer
    Well, to keep focus on your AO533, it would be quite Happy running LinuxMint Cinnamon 19.3 on 2GB. Easily configured to have the same look, feel & function of Microsoft's last halfway decent system, Win7, only faster. Compatible with just about all the latest Office furniture using LibreOffice. And its WINE overlay covers most (maybe all) of my other favorite Windows only apps like Irfanview etc.  Yes, I think Win10 (and Win8x for that matter) represents an open Window of opportunity to break the status quo in PC GUIs. My trusty old AO722 is dual boot with default Cinnamon that can access and use all that's in the Windows partition so there's no reason to boot Windows anymore. In fact, I'm using the AO722 in this reply. My newer UEFI machines also default to Cinnamon. No reason to boot the ever-changing (read 'unstable') Win10 anymore either. You should try it if you haven't done so already. Jack E/NJ

    Jack E/NJ

  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    I guess for now I can downgrade the Win10 to 8.1 Pro and it at least performs as good as 7 without spending hours watching your computer do perpetual updates as well!! Of course there are even utilities online to make it look and behave like 7 as well. At least it's supported until 2023 or I could throw XP in it and it would soar like an Eagle!
    I'm responding to this thread on Ubuntu 18.04.3 which chokes along as badly as Win10 Pro on this Acer Dispire Zero. It was a dog with 1gb of RAM with Win7 Starter as well and as for Acer? If you want to make your product look like a lame duck, just provide it with a battery that barely gives you an hour of use, and make it stumble with an inadequate amount of RAM.
    Now for an excellent head shaker also tell your customers the RAM and HHD are non serviceable but in reality they are so at least somebody who made the mistake of purchasing one of these AO533 can at least get the one winged lame duck flying on 2 with a 2gb module.
    Yes this is what they tell you and I have read posts of AO533 owners asking how to update HHD and RAM after being told its not serviceable.

    I have tried Linux Mint a few years ago as well and I will look at it again!
    Jack, what does this tell you when a supposedly better OS stumbles as badly as Windows 10?
    This is of course referring to this version of Ubuntu.
    Lets put it another way and sitting on my lap is an HP Omnibook XE3 with a PIII800 I do believe and if I flip in a Mandrake 7.0 CD I have laying around it installs and runs like a very good computer along with Win98&2000 this HP was intended for.
    Now we have garbage for operating systems that make quad core processors work harder as well.
    Sounds like a total step backwards forcing us to purchase more expensive hardware needlessly??
    Yes this HP couldn't run an older version of Puppy Linux "Live" because the 250-500mb of RAM wasn't enough so I was forced to partition the HHD with a large swap partition and painfully slowly install using the stupid live version to install! Once it was on a hard-drive with a swap of 2gb it worked very well.
    If you want to give an OS a bad rap on smaller older hardware, just run it live on a stupid USB or CD and watch it stumble and crawl or crash and burn like the Hindenburg disaster...........  "Oh the Humanity"

  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    Right now I'm downloading Linux Mint Tricia Cinnamon 19.3 and there is mention of Ubuntu being a resource hog which it is. I will let you know how it performs on this Acer.
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 45,080 Trailblazer
    Gonna try 64-bit first? Jack E/NJ

    Jack E/NJ

  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    Usually that's all I get or try. With 2GB I doubt it whether or not 32 or 64 really matters?
    So far it's a bit faster but I just installed it with no updates. Realistically at the end of the day many of these flavors look like early versions of Windows such as 2000 or XP which is why I think its plain and simply stupid why these newer versions are just resource hogs with bloatware and unwanted garbage running in the background! Another liability is perhaps this N455 Atom bomb and your advantage with more options is your AMD!! The ONLY Intel CPU's I ever purchased new were my 1998 Pentium PIII 450 and this N455 cell phone processor!
    AMD were first for 64 Bit and I remember this with my first AMD socket 939 3500+ from back in 2004.
    Did you notice any difference between 32&64?

    Sent from Linux Mint
  • henman
    henman Member Posts: 52 Die Hard WiFi Icon
    Jack? How do you replace that USELESS DuckDuckGo search engine with Google or Bing?
  • JackE
    JackE ACE Posts: 45,080 Trailblazer
    Click on the bottom 'find more search engines' in the browser prefs. That'll take you to the mint search engine page. Click the google icon and it'll add it to the browser prefs. I used 64-bit Cinnamon. Jack E/NJ




    Jack E/NJ