clean install E5-573-5653

skylinekiller
skylinekiller Member Posts: 11 New User

I am getting ready to do a clean install on my new E5-573-5653.  It has Win10, but I am authorized a WIN 10 Pro from my previous software purchase.  I have the WIN 10 Disc from Microsft so thought I would install my Win 7 Ultimate, soft upgrade to 10 pro, then clean install Win 10 Pro.

 

Do I have to do anything in the bios for this?  Any special partitions I need to be careful of?  I usually just wipe and clean install, but my old sony was a little complicated so I am reaching out first.

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  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder
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    Skylinekiller,

    These are the steps that I would take....assuming you have 64 bit windows 7 ultimate.....and since your computer came pre-installed with Windows 10 w/UEFI-BIOS that defaults to GPT and Secure Boot enabled.

     

    Modern UEFI/GPT Installation Method of Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate or Pro

     

    1. Create a factory default recovery drive (and also an apps and drivers  backup)

    http://acer--uk.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/38145/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xNDQ0ODkxMDI5L3NpZC96SmpDYS15bQ%3D%3D

     

    2.  Backup all of your important personal files because the following steps will wipe your drive.

     

    3. Press and hold the shift key on your keyboard and then restart your computer (this will allow your computer to boot in to a special environment.)

     

    4. Navigate in the menu to your UEFI settings selection and select it. (Troubleshoot>Advanced Options)

     

    5. When your computer boots to UEFI-BIOS settings, navigate in the settings to disable "secure boot", and then save/exit (probably F-10) Note:Windows 7 doesn't support secure boot---{secure boot didn't come along until Windows 8}

     

    6. And then continue to windows 10

     

    7. Press and hold shift key and restart your computer to enter special environment as you did in step 3.

     

    8.  Navigate in the menu to Command Prompt (Troubleshoot>Advanced Options)

     

    9.  Use diskpart clean to wipe your entire drive (be careful--click on spoilers too when reading directions).  The instructions below work on both SSD and HDD

    http://forum.crucial.com/t5/The-Cru/Reset-your-SSD-to-factory-settings-Windows-DiskPart/ba-p/162503

     

    10. After diskpart clean successfully runs, exit out of diskpart and exit out of command prompt to get back to the main menu

     

    11. Insert your Windows 7 Ultimate DVD in to the DVD drive

     

    12. Navigate in the menu to "Shutdown your computer" and shutdown your computer

     

    13.  Turn on your computer and install windows 7 ultimate (select custom install, left click on your drive, and left click on "next". The windows installer will automatically partition and format your HDD and install windows)

     

    14. Use Windows update to get free upgrade version of windows 10 pro (my advice is to make sure you are logged in to windows with your windows live account and not just a local login.

     

    15.Verify that Windows 10 pro is activated on your computer.  ( Settings>Update and Security>Activation)

     

    16 After you verify that windows 10 pro is activated, you should go in to BIOS settings and enable Secure Boot...save/exit.

     

    17. Drivers are here:

     

    http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/drivers

     

    18. (Optional Step--but a step that I would personally take) If you've verified that your Windows 10 Pro is activated, you can  go to Microsoft's website and download the tool to create win10 pro media and do a clean install of windows 10 pro.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

     

    Important Note: I assume you have Windows 7 Ultimate 64 DVD. If you for some reason your Windows 7 installation media isn't the Win7 Ultimate DVD, then you might need to create a UEFI-only bootable windows 7 ultimate USB drive installation media that is compatible with UEFI (with something like RUFUS or some other tool).  Google for instructions or post here if you don't know how to use RUFUS or similar tool for a UEFI-only install.

     

    If the procedure above doesn't work...please post......and you may have to go with legacy installation method. If you have to use legacy installation method, it's not a big deal, because you can revert back to UEFI/GPT/Secure Boot by loading bios defaults, using diskpart clean, powering down computer, and clean re-install windows 10pro.

     

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    Alternate Legacy Installation Method of Windows 7 Ultimate or Pro on some UEFI computers

     

    1. Create your factory default USB recovery drive and a drivers and apps backup and also backup your important personal files because the following steps will wipe your drive.

    2. Go in to UEFI-BIOS and disable "secure boot" and set "launch csm" to always

    3. Use diskpart clean (which will wipe your HDD and put it in an uninitialized state.)

    4. power down your computer

    5. turn on computer and install windows 7 ultimate

    6. Upgrade to windows 10 pro through windows update

     

    If you have to use legacy installation method, it's not a big deal, because you can revert back to UEFI/GPT/SecureBoot by loading bios defaults (F-9) and save/exit (F-10), using diskpart clean, power down your computer, and then do a clean install windows 10pro.

     

    UEFI/GPT/Secure Boot is much more secure than legacy MBR.

     

     

     

     

    Edit: Edited steps 11 and 12

     

     

     

     

     

    I'm not an Acer employee.
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  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder

    Since I think your end goal is to convert your windows 7 ultimate to a windows 10 pro (for free) so you can avoid the $99 upgrade to Windows 10 pro cost......

     

    I would honestly get on chat with Microsoft.  Microsoft appears to be accepting free chat for Windows 10 upgrade questions.

     

    Obviously, you'll need to go in to your BIOS settings to disable secure boot before you install Windows 7.

     

    But from a licensing standpoint, it might be best to get the info directly from the horse's mouth...so to speak.

     

    Edit: If you describe your question in chat just as you did in your orginal post, they should be able to understand, and tell you how to proceed (from a licensing standpoint).  And since you already have a free Windows 10 Home license for your computer, they can tell you if there would be some sort of conflict in their activation servers when you try to convert your Windows 7 ultimate to windows 10 pro on the same motherboard as your existing Windows 10 home (same PC).  Be sure to explain to them when describing your Windows license's whether or not they are OEM license or retail license.

    I'm not an Acer employee.
  • skylinekiller
    skylinekiller Member Posts: 11 New User

    Thank you, but that didn't work, so my only option is to downgrade to Win 7, then upgrade, then clean install.

     

    SO my question now is what do I have to fo exactly in the bios before and after I downgrade/upgrade?  Anything special I need to back up or do?

  • philetus
    philetus ACE Posts: 4,759 Pathfinder

    I didn't want to give you hearsay, so I grabbed my Windows 7 laptop and did it.

     

    I used Belarc Advisor to find my Win 7 key and wrote it down.

    I installed Win 10 from Windows update.

    It installed and activated.

     

    I then rebooted and tapped Esc to get into bios and moved USB FDD to the top, didn't work.

    It wanted USB HDD' I booted fron USB and started the install.

    When it asked where I wanted to install, I deleted all partitions and clicked the "NEW" button to make the drive GPT.

    I clicked install.

    The first time it asked for the Windows Key, I clicked Skip.

    When it asked for the wifi password, I entered it.

    The second time it asked for the Windows Key I clicked do it later.

    The install finished and when I looked, it was activated.

     

    I just looked at the HDD properties and the HDD is NTFS. I thought the NEW button formatted the drive as GPT, but I guess if you want GPT you have to format the drive before you start the install.

    I'm happy with NTFS anyway. I can still get in Bios and F12 menu.

  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder
    Answer ✓

    Skylinekiller,

    These are the steps that I would take....assuming you have 64 bit windows 7 ultimate.....and since your computer came pre-installed with Windows 10 w/UEFI-BIOS that defaults to GPT and Secure Boot enabled.

     

    Modern UEFI/GPT Installation Method of Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate or Pro

     

    1. Create a factory default recovery drive (and also an apps and drivers  backup)

    http://acer--uk.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/38145/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xNDQ0ODkxMDI5L3NpZC96SmpDYS15bQ%3D%3D

     

    2.  Backup all of your important personal files because the following steps will wipe your drive.

     

    3. Press and hold the shift key on your keyboard and then restart your computer (this will allow your computer to boot in to a special environment.)

     

    4. Navigate in the menu to your UEFI settings selection and select it. (Troubleshoot>Advanced Options)

     

    5. When your computer boots to UEFI-BIOS settings, navigate in the settings to disable "secure boot", and then save/exit (probably F-10) Note:Windows 7 doesn't support secure boot---{secure boot didn't come along until Windows 8}

     

    6. And then continue to windows 10

     

    7. Press and hold shift key and restart your computer to enter special environment as you did in step 3.

     

    8.  Navigate in the menu to Command Prompt (Troubleshoot>Advanced Options)

     

    9.  Use diskpart clean to wipe your entire drive (be careful--click on spoilers too when reading directions).  The instructions below work on both SSD and HDD

    http://forum.crucial.com/t5/The-Cru/Reset-your-SSD-to-factory-settings-Windows-DiskPart/ba-p/162503

     

    10. After diskpart clean successfully runs, exit out of diskpart and exit out of command prompt to get back to the main menu

     

    11. Insert your Windows 7 Ultimate DVD in to the DVD drive

     

    12. Navigate in the menu to "Shutdown your computer" and shutdown your computer

     

    13.  Turn on your computer and install windows 7 ultimate (select custom install, left click on your drive, and left click on "next". The windows installer will automatically partition and format your HDD and install windows)

     

    14. Use Windows update to get free upgrade version of windows 10 pro (my advice is to make sure you are logged in to windows with your windows live account and not just a local login.

     

    15.Verify that Windows 10 pro is activated on your computer.  ( Settings>Update and Security>Activation)

     

    16 After you verify that windows 10 pro is activated, you should go in to BIOS settings and enable Secure Boot...save/exit.

     

    17. Drivers are here:

     

    http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/drivers

     

    18. (Optional Step--but a step that I would personally take) If you've verified that your Windows 10 Pro is activated, you can  go to Microsoft's website and download the tool to create win10 pro media and do a clean install of windows 10 pro.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

     

    Important Note: I assume you have Windows 7 Ultimate 64 DVD. If you for some reason your Windows 7 installation media isn't the Win7 Ultimate DVD, then you might need to create a UEFI-only bootable windows 7 ultimate USB drive installation media that is compatible with UEFI (with something like RUFUS or some other tool).  Google for instructions or post here if you don't know how to use RUFUS or similar tool for a UEFI-only install.

     

    If the procedure above doesn't work...please post......and you may have to go with legacy installation method. If you have to use legacy installation method, it's not a big deal, because you can revert back to UEFI/GPT/Secure Boot by loading bios defaults, using diskpart clean, powering down computer, and clean re-install windows 10pro.

     

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

     

    Alternate Legacy Installation Method of Windows 7 Ultimate or Pro on some UEFI computers

     

    1. Create your factory default USB recovery drive and a drivers and apps backup and also backup your important personal files because the following steps will wipe your drive.

    2. Go in to UEFI-BIOS and disable "secure boot" and set "launch csm" to always

    3. Use diskpart clean (which will wipe your HDD and put it in an uninitialized state.)

    4. power down your computer

    5. turn on computer and install windows 7 ultimate

    6. Upgrade to windows 10 pro through windows update

     

    If you have to use legacy installation method, it's not a big deal, because you can revert back to UEFI/GPT/SecureBoot by loading bios defaults (F-9) and save/exit (F-10), using diskpart clean, power down your computer, and then do a clean install windows 10pro.

     

    UEFI/GPT/Secure Boot is much more secure than legacy MBR.

     

     

     

     

    Edit: Edited steps 11 and 12

     

     

     

     

     

    I'm not an Acer employee.
  • skylinekiller
    skylinekiller Member Posts: 11 New User

    Thank you for the in depth directions.  I have a fw questions. Philetus wrote about GPT and MFTS, in brief, what is the difference?  I thought there was only NFTS and FAT32...Am I Getting that old??

     

    So if my current drive that comes with the laptop is a standard 1TB, do I still need to do the GPT step with formatting it?  

     

    On one drive I will change it to a SSD, while the others will keep the 1TB.  Do I change any steps for the two differnt drives?  

     

    Should I change the SSD first before activating it?

  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder

    Skylinekiller,

     

    I think Philetus had some typos in his post and probably had his mind on something else when he wrote about GPT NTFS etc...  I'm quite guilty of that on occasion too.  But maybe not.  It would be better if he clarified.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS

     

    My instructions don't require you to do anything related to formatting or anything related to converting to GPT or converting to MBR.  The instructions that I've given you will do all of that stuff automatically in the background. I figured if I gave you instructions on how to do that manually, it would only confuse you (and give me carpal tunnel syndrome Smiley Wink

     

    If for some reason you have any trouble, just post, and I (or someone else) can give troubleshooting steps on anything related to GPT or MBR or initialization.  But again, you shouldn't need to worry about that if you follow my steps as it's all done automatically.

     

    Let me make sure if I have this straight.  You will have both a SSD and a 1TB HDD installed in your laptop? 

     

    I have both a SSD and a HDD installed in my desktop.  I disconnect my HDD's SATA power cable before I do a clean install because I only want Windows to install on my SSD and I don't want Windows to install any system files on my HDD.  And then I reconnect my HDD after the windows installation is completed. There's pro's and cons of keeping the secondary drive connected when doing an install.  But too many cons for me.  I think the vast majority of people disconnect their secondary HDD before the installation, and then reconnect it after the installation is completed.  But not 100 percent sure on that.

     

    It's important to have a factory default recovery drive before you begin any of this and to have your important files backed up too, and then you'll have nothing to worry about.  I backup my files to USB drives, OneDrive, GoogleDrive, GooglePhoto, and Flickr.

     

    You don't need to change steps on your SSD or HDD. My steps don't care if you use HDD or SSD. Smiley Happy

     

    When it comes to activation, my understanding is it's mostly tied to your motherboard, so what HDD or SSD you use shouldn't matter. And switching drives shouldn't matter.  But only microsoft or Acer can give you the definitive answer on that because microsoft has not fully disclosed to the public all of their criteria for successful activation for obvious pirating reasons.

     

    If you have questions, I'll try to get back to this thread later next week or in the meantime someone else can clarify my post to steer you in the right direction or a better direction if necessary. Smiley Wink

    I'm not an Acer employee.
  • skylinekiller
    skylinekiller Member Posts: 11 New User

    I had one other question before I get started, My plan is to do one complete laptop, install my office and windows, do all the updates and create an image using Acronis.  

     

    Usually when starting up a OS for the fist time they make u give a username and password.  Will there be any conflicts if I delete user and change computer name after the re-image of the other 3 computers?

  • philetus
    philetus ACE Posts: 4,759 Pathfinder

    There shouldn't be any problems with that.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/rename-user-account#1TC=windows-7

    Unless you created another user after the install, The user will be administrator.

    You will need to create another user before you can delete the current one.

    http://ccm.net/faq/31297-windows-8-1-how-to-delete-a-user-account

    Remove or change password

    http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/13315-local-account-password-change-remove-windows-8-a.html

    Remove Microsoft account.

    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/remove-microsoft-account-from-windows-8-3494536/

     

    Forgot one: Rename computer

    http://www.thewindowsclub.com/rename-computer-windows-8

  • skylinekiller
    skylinekiller Member Posts: 11 New User

    I am stuck at this part 

     

    "you have to use legacy installation method, it's not a big deal, because you can revert back to UEFI/GPT/SecureBoot by loading bios defaults (F-9) and save/exit (F-10), using diskpart clean, power down your computer, and then do a clean install windows 10pro."

     

    When I switch back to UEFI from Legacy, and use my usb win 10, I get a no boot device error.  There doesn't seem to be a way to boot back into UEFI...    

     

  • skylinekiller
    skylinekiller Member Posts: 11 New User

    in addition, I installed Windows home again, not Pro.. It took soo long to download all those updates for win 7 and now I am back on win 10 home... 

  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder

    Have you installed windows 10 pro in legacy mode?

     

    If you've installed Windows 10 Pro in legacy mode and you want to re-install Windows 10 Pro in UEFI/GPT mode, follow these steps.

     

    1.  Go in to BIOS settings and load bios defaults (F9) and then save/exit (F10)

    2.  Go in to BIOS settings and enable the BOOT MENU and then save/exit (F10)

    3.  Power down your computer

    4.  Boot your Windows 10 Pro USB media

    5.  After you select your language, select "Repair your Computer"

    6.  Navigate to command prompt and use diskpart clean to wipe your drive.

    7. Exit out of diskpart and command prompt and navigate to "shutdown your computer"

    8.  Shutdown your computer

    9.  Boot the windows 10 pro usb media

    10. Install windows 10 pro.  Select custom install. Click on your drive.  Click on next.  The windows installer will automatically partition and format your drive and install windows 10 pro

     

    If for some reason those steps don't work, you're going to have to make another Windows 10 Pro USB media on a different UEFI computer.

    I'm not an Acer employee.
  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder

    Yeah, I have no idea why you installed the home version.  Doesn't make any sense.  You didn't have to go through all that if you just wanted the home version.

    I'm not an Acer employee.
  • skylinekiller
    skylinekiller Member Posts: 11 New User

    I tried the method, but my media is not appearing after pressing F12.  It will boot in Legacy mode though

  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder

    You're going to have to create new Windows 10 media on a computer that is UEFI default.....not legacy.

    I'm not an Acer employee.
  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder

    You went from having a nice secure UEFI/GPT installation of Windows 10 home with secure boot enabled.......to an insecure legacy installation of Windows 10 home.  Not good my friend.  Clearly I'm not a good teacher.

     

    At this point, I think it might be best to have a geek friend/relative come over to your house and help.  Smiley Happy

    I'm not an Acer employee.
  • skylinekiller
    skylinekiller Member Posts: 11 New User

    I'll keep messing with it.  I heard the Windows product key is embedded into the bios and I wonder if this has anything to do with reinstalling home versus pro... I was on pro, then clean installed back into home.. Smiley Sad

  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder

    The very first step that I gave you was to create a factory default recovery drive.  Did you do that?

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    Skylinekiller,

    These are the steps that I would take....assuming you have 64 bit windows 7 ultimate.....and since your computer came pre-installed with Windows 10 w/UEFI-BIOS that defaults to GPT and Secure Boot enabled.

     

    Modern UEFI/GPT Installation Method of Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate or Pro

     

    1. Create a factory default recovery drive (and also an apps and drivers  backup)

    http://acer--uk.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/38145/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xNDQ0ODkxMDI5L3NpZ...

     

    2.  Backup all of your important personal files because the following steps will wipe your drive.

     

    3. Press and hold the shift key on your keyboard and then restart your computer (this will allow your computer to boot in to a special environment.)

     

    4. Navigate in the menu to your UEFI settings selection and select it. (Troubleshoot>Advanced Options)

     

    5. When your computer boots to UEFI-BIOS settings, navigate in the settings to disable "secure boot", and then save/exit (probably F-10) Note:Windows 7 doesn't support secure boot---{secure boot didn't come along until Windows 8}

     

    6. And then continue to windows 10

     

    7. Press and hold shift key and restart your computer to enter special environment as you did in step 3.

     

    8.  Navigate in the menu to Command Prompt (Troubleshoot>Advanced Options)

     

    9.  Use diskpart clean to wipe your entire drive (be careful--click on spoilers too when reading directions).  The instructions below work on both SSD and HDD

    http://forum.crucial.com/t5/The-Cru/Reset-your-SSD-to-factory-settings-Windows-DiskPart/ba-p/162503

     

    10. After diskpart clean successfully runs, exit out of diskpart and exit out of command prompt to get back to the main menu

     

    11. Insert your Windows 7 Ultimate DVD in to the DVD drive

     

    12. Navigate in the menu to "Shutdown your computer" and shutdown your computer

     

    13.  Turn on your computer and install windows 7 ultimate (select custom install, left click on your drive, and left click on "next". The windows installer will automatically partition and format your HDD and install windows)

     

    14. Use Windows update to get free upgrade version of windows 10 pro (my advice is to make sure you are logged in to windows with your windows live account and not just a local login.

     

    15.Verify that Windows 10 pro is activated on your computer.  ( Settings>Update and Security>Activation)

     

    16 After you verify that windows 10 pro is activated, you should go in to BIOS settings and enable Secure Boot...save/exit.

     

    17. Drivers are here:

     

    http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/drivers

     

    18. (Optional Step--but a step that I would personally take) If you've verified that your Windows 10 Pro is activated, you can  go to Microsoft's website and download the tool to create win10 pro media and do a clean install of windows 10 pro.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

     

    I'm not an Acer employee.
  • JordanB
    JordanB ACE Posts: 3,729 Pathfinder

    If you want to try to get Windows 10 Pro back on there (the easy way) in UEFI/GPT with secure boot enabled.....

     

    1.  Wait until Microsoft releases Threshold2 (it might be tonight) (edit: it won't be tonight)

    2.  On a different computer (that has UEFI enabled--not legacy)), create a windows 10 pro media USB

    3. load bios defaults on your computer (F9) and then save/exit (F10)

    4. Use diskpart clean to wipe your computer's drive

    diskpart>clean

    diskpart>convert GPT

    diskpart>clean

    diskpart>exit

     

    5. Power down your computer. (Turn off your computer and remove the battery.  Wait 1 minute.)

    6. Put battery back in and turn on computer and Install windows 10 pro, except this time, enter your Windows 7 ultimate key when prompted.

     

    Edit: The link below says Threshold2 won't be released until November 10th...so the steps above won't work until then (or whenever they release threshold2) and there's no guarantee it will work.

     

    http://betanews.com/2015/11/01/huge-windows-10-fall-update-threshold-2-due-10-november/

    I'm not an Acer employee.
  • IronFly
    IronFly ACE Posts: 18,413 Trailblazer

    JordanB wrote:

    You're going to have to create new Windows 10 media on a computer that is UEFI default.....not legacy.


    Not really, you can download windows 10 .iso file and use Rufus to create a bootable USB media just for UEFI BIOS. Smiley Happy

    I'm not an Acer employee.