Intel XTU removed my Factory Undervolt (predator helios 300 ph315-52)

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kunjuro
kunjuro Member Posts: 2 New User
edited October 2023 in Predator Laptops

Hey all,

I tried using Intel XTU on my Predator Helios 300 (2019) (I5 9300H + RTX 2060) to undervolt the CPU. It was pretty decent but I found Throttlestop much more workable. I uninstalled Intel XTU but I noticed that when I boot up my laptop now - the default -0.125V undervolt the CPU comes with out of the box is gone. Is there any way to retrieve my old settings and restore the -0.125V undervolt at boot?


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  • Gowtham_sekar
    Gowtham_sekar Member Posts: 13

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    Did you find the answer? If yes please post it.
  • ruxx0
    ruxx0 Member Posts: 7

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    Hi I have the same issue. Hope someone knows how to restore it
  • Aathif_Mahir
    Aathif_Mahir Member Posts: 78 Devotee WiFi Icon
    edited August 2020
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    @kunjuro @Gowtham_sekar @ruxx0

    Hi, all

    I had the exactly same issue with stock undervolting and PL2, My helios 300 PH315-52 undervolt went 0mv and PL2 went 90W instead of 56W.

    Here's the solution:
    - Uninstall Predator Sense and Predator Sense Service using Control Panel
    - Uninstall Intel XTU, If you already unistalled that then make sure uninstall all the files related to Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility and Predator Sense
    • C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel - Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility
    • C:\ProgramData\Intel - Intel Extreme Tuning Utility
    • C:\Program Files\Acer - PredatorSense Service
    - Disable Fast Startup in Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Power Options\System Settings
    - Reboot your Device
    - Download a Fresh Installation of Predator Sense and Installing it and Reboot your Device

    Now, you'd have your stock undervolt and PL2 but there's a catch that you need to keep the fast startup disabled. Therefore you won't have issue with undervolt again unless your device back on from sleep or hibernate. Undervolt going back 0mv after sleep or hibernate is an issue with predator sense and can be olny fixed by rebooting the device

    Note: Make Sure Delete the Exact Folder that i mentioned above, don't delete any other folders.

    I'm working a app to detect undervolt changes during the sleep and hibernate, Will share the app very soon.
  • newUserPredetor
    newUserPredetor Member Posts: 21 Troubleshooter
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    I also have this issue @Aathif_Mahir, but when I reinstall Predator Sense, This folder will show again
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel - Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility . even if there is no Extreme Tuning Utility installed (after reset windows 10 OS) . 

    Before it is not like this (fresh from the box), the -125v is stable, but now when I boot from shutdown, it shows 0v when i check in HWmonitor. 

    Help :(
  • xapim
    xapim ACE Posts: 7,257 Pathfinder
    edited August 2020
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    kunjuro  Gowtham_sekar ruxx0 Aathif_Mahir newUserPredetor  dont use xtu its just intel garbage buggy software set it to default settings and completely remove it with a uninstaller software like youruninstaller for ex or similar then shutdown not restart reset bios to defaults and use TS instead also do not touch PS xtu service that service belongs to TS nothing to do with xtu

    https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/577183/throttlestop-undervolt-profiles-pre-made/p1


    https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/11532543

    UserBenchmarks: Game 43%, Desk 61%, Work 40%
    CPU: Intel Core i5-7300HQ - 63.5%
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1050-Ti (Mobile) - 41.9%
    SSD: WDC WDS200T2B0B-00YS70 2TB - 71.4%
    HDD: WD WD10SPZX-00HKTT0 1TB - 93.7%
    RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR4 2666 C15 2x16GB - 76.8%
    MBD: Acer Predator G3-572

    I'm not an Acer employee. (just here to help in the best way i can)
    If my answer fixed you issue please accept it for any other users who search for it would find it quickly thanks :)
    If you want to learn more about undervolting/optimizing windows join the Predator fb group and youtube channel:

    Owner/Admin (HOTEL HERO/Red-Sand/Opoka Opoka)
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/PredatorHelios300
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNJwGUHxSJ8FKqAhnOqQuAw
    Acer support:
    https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/service-contact
    http://www.acer.com/worldwide/support/  


  • Aathif_Mahir
    Aathif_Mahir Member Posts: 78 Devotee WiFi Icon
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    I also have this issue @Aathif_Mahir, but when I reinstall Predator Sense, This folder will show again
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel - Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility . even if there is no Extreme Tuning Utility installed (after reset windows 10 OS) . 

    Before it is not like this (fresh from the box), the -125v is stable, but now when I boot from shutdown, it shows 0v when i check in HWmonitor. 

    Help :(
    Ofcourse, The folder would appear again, Don't remove that unless your reinstalling Predator Sense.

    The Predator Sense software uses XTU service to setup undervolt and PL2 limit out of the box, In that case when you install XTU seperately that causes issues older xtu service and newer one your installed. that's why you'll have issue with undervvolt and PL2 limit
  • newUserPredetor
    newUserPredetor Member Posts: 21 Troubleshooter
    edited August 2020
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    @Aathif_Mahir @xapim is there still a chance for the -125v default to be back? without using any third party software such as throttle stop and XTU? 
     I have already completely removed xtu and even reset OS and load default BIOS, but still the default -125 is not back :( , it is intermittent.
  • xapim
    xapim ACE Posts: 7,257 Pathfinder
    edited August 2020
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    newUserPredetor reinstall PS the undervolt settings are built int the TS profile dedicated xtu service (this service has nothing to do with xtu itself its completely independent as some might think) but i would just use TS instead as i already stated above check here  :)


    https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/11532543

    UserBenchmarks: Game 43%, Desk 61%, Work 40%
    CPU: Intel Core i5-7300HQ - 63.5%
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1050-Ti (Mobile) - 41.9%
    SSD: WDC WDS200T2B0B-00YS70 2TB - 71.4%
    HDD: WD WD10SPZX-00HKTT0 1TB - 93.7%
    RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR4 2666 C15 2x16GB - 76.8%
    MBD: Acer Predator G3-572

    I'm not an Acer employee. (just here to help in the best way i can)
    If my answer fixed you issue please accept it for any other users who search for it would find it quickly thanks :)
    If you want to learn more about undervolting/optimizing windows join the Predator fb group and youtube channel:

    Owner/Admin (HOTEL HERO/Red-Sand/Opoka Opoka)
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/PredatorHelios300
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNJwGUHxSJ8FKqAhnOqQuAw
    Acer support:
    https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/service-contact
    http://www.acer.com/worldwide/support/  


  • Aathif_Mahir
    Aathif_Mahir Member Posts: 78 Devotee WiFi Icon
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    xapim said:
    kunjuro  Gowtham_sekar ruxx0 Aathif_Mahir newUserPredetor  dont use xtu its just intel garbage buggy software set it to default settings and completely remove it with a uninstaller software like youruninstaller for ex or similar then shutdown not restart reset bios to defaults and use TS instead also do not touch PS xtu service that service belongs to TS nothing to do with xtu

    https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/577183/throttlestop-undervolt-profiles-pre-made/p1
    That's true Throttle Stop is way better but Acer using XTU Services for Undervolting the CPU, Therefore if we need stock settings going with XTU is a better option. Because once there's a update for Predator Sense it'll install XTU again and There should another issue
  • ruxx0
    ruxx0 Member Posts: 7

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    Hi All,

    I managed to fix it myself, thankfully it came back to default -125v undervolt. Here's what I did:

    1. Uninstall predator sense and predator sense service using 3rd party uninstaller app (I used Revo uninstaller pro)
    2. After the uninstall setup has finished, scan for any remaining artifacts, including registry entries (Revo will do it for you)
    3. Reboot.

    Congrats, undervolt should come back to default. Actually at first I don't bother fixing it anymore since I already have my TS setup during boot. But then I encountered a glitch in UI of my PS and tried to reinstall it. Then I disabled temporarily TS and check uv using HWmonitor. And there, it came back to -125.

    Let me know if this works for you.



  • xapim
    xapim ACE Posts: 7,257 Pathfinder
    edited August 2020
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    Aathif_Mahir the PS xtu service its independent nothing to do with the intel crapware also if u use TS it will overwrite any previous settings and regarding windows updates should be disabled from updating drivers/firmware or even completely only update whatever u need if/when needed manually windows updates break more than they fix still on 1809 here updates completely disabled for 2+ years no issues  :)
    ruxx0 i always recommend the same as you can see here on my thread  but i use youruninstaller instead have used it for years and never had any issues 



    https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/11532543

    UserBenchmarks: Game 43%, Desk 61%, Work 40%
    CPU: Intel Core i5-7300HQ - 63.5%
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1050-Ti (Mobile) - 41.9%
    SSD: WDC WDS200T2B0B-00YS70 2TB - 71.4%
    HDD: WD WD10SPZX-00HKTT0 1TB - 93.7%
    RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR4 2666 C15 2x16GB - 76.8%
    MBD: Acer Predator G3-572

    I'm not an Acer employee. (just here to help in the best way i can)
    If my answer fixed you issue please accept it for any other users who search for it would find it quickly thanks :)
    If you want to learn more about undervolting/optimizing windows join the Predator fb group and youtube channel:

    Owner/Admin (HOTEL HERO/Red-Sand/Opoka Opoka)
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/PredatorHelios300
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNJwGUHxSJ8FKqAhnOqQuAw
    Acer support:
    https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/service-contact
    http://www.acer.com/worldwide/support/  


  • ruxx0
    ruxx0 Member Posts: 7

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    xapim said:
    Aathif_Mahir the PS xtu service its independent nothing to do with the intel crapware also if u use TS it will overwrite any previous settings and regarding windows updates should be disabled from updating drivers/firmware or even completely only update whatever u need if/when needed manually windows updates break more than they fix still on 1809 here updates completely disabled for 2+ years no issues  :)
    ruxx0 i always recommend the same as you can see here on my thread  but i use youruninstaller instead have used it for years and never had any issues 

    As long as it works, right? :)
  • xapim
    xapim ACE Posts: 7,257 Pathfinder
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    ruxx0 definitely if its working no need to try to break it :)


    https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/11532543

    UserBenchmarks: Game 43%, Desk 61%, Work 40%
    CPU: Intel Core i5-7300HQ - 63.5%
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1050-Ti (Mobile) - 41.9%
    SSD: WDC WDS200T2B0B-00YS70 2TB - 71.4%
    HDD: WD WD10SPZX-00HKTT0 1TB - 93.7%
    RAM: Kingston HyperX DDR4 2666 C15 2x16GB - 76.8%
    MBD: Acer Predator G3-572

    I'm not an Acer employee. (just here to help in the best way i can)
    If my answer fixed you issue please accept it for any other users who search for it would find it quickly thanks :)
    If you want to learn more about undervolting/optimizing windows join the Predator fb group and youtube channel:

    Owner/Admin (HOTEL HERO/Red-Sand/Opoka Opoka)
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/PredatorHelios300
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNJwGUHxSJ8FKqAhnOqQuAw
    Acer support:
    https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/service-contact
    http://www.acer.com/worldwide/support/  


  • FakeToothache
    FakeToothache Member Posts: 1 New User
    edited August 2020
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    I had mine fixed with this, I don't know if it will for others but give it a try.

    I already had intel XTU uninstalled by just going to the control panel's program and features then there I uninstalled it manually. 

    No need to uninstall predator service. 

    All I did was that I went to acer's website then acer support, type in the model of your laptop and then enter it. It should redirect you to the drivers and manuals. Scroll down until you will see the application and click the drop down arrow. Then download the predator sense software. Once finished downloading, click the setup and there it should say that setup will uninstall predator sense then just click ok. After that don't reboot yet. Click the setup again and this time it should install the predator sense to you're system. After that installation, you may now reboot you're pc then open hw monitor and you should see that  you're cpu's IA Offset is undervolted. 

    Mine undervolted itself automatically to -128mv not -125mv. 

    My theory is maybe yours might be different as well. Tell me if this works and if so please also tell me how much did it undervolted for you. Hope this helps peace. Thank you all.

  • newUserPredetor
    newUserPredetor Member Posts: 21 Troubleshooter
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    ruxx0 said:
    Hi All,

    I managed to fix it myself, thankfully it came back to default -125v undervolt. Here's what I did:

    1. Uninstall predator sense and predator sense service using 3rd party uninstaller app (I used Revo uninstaller pro)
    2. After the uninstall setup has finished, scan for any remaining artifacts, including registry entries (Revo will do it for you)
    3. Reboot.

    Congrats, undervolt should come back to default. Actually at first I don't bother fixing it anymore since I already have my TS setup during boot. But then I encountered a glitch in UI of my PS and tried to reinstall it. Then I disabled temporarily TS and check uv using HWmonitor. And there, it came back to -125.

    Let me know if this works for you.




    is it stable -125v ? bec mine is intermittent when i monitored it for more than 3 days
  • PREDATOR88889
    PREDATOR88889 Member Posts: 2 New User
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    ruxx0 said:
    Hi All,

    I managed to fix it myself, thankfully it came back to default -125v undervolt. Here's what I did:

    1. Uninstall predator sense and predator sense service using 3rd party uninstaller app (I used Revo uninstaller pro)
    2. After the uninstall setup has finished, scan for any remaining artifacts, including registry entries (Revo will do it for you)
    3. Reboot.

    Congrats, undervolt should come back to default. Actually at first I don't bother fixing it anymore since I already have my TS setup during boot. But then I encountered a glitch in UI of my PS and tried to reinstall it. Then I disabled temporarily TS and check uv using HWmonitor. And there, it came back to -125.

    Let me know if this works for you.



    i did it man my undervolt came back but i cant find predatorsense anymore what to do
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