Aspire 5745 works with battery/no adapter, but not with adapter plugged (with or w/out battery)

stepher

Hi all....

 

Hope someone can help. Been trying to solve for quite some time

 

My Aspire 5745 laptop developed odd behavior (maybe not so odd if I knew what was going on). Here are the situations I've "tested":

 

1. Laptop boots fine (and runs great!) with only the battery installed (adapter unplugged).

2. If the adapter is plugged in (battery or no battery) it won't boot (at first, anyway...see No. 4A below) and the fan seems to come on at full speed as if the CPU has heated up for some reason.

3. Boot on battery and then plug in the adapter immediately, the computer freezes (and a reboot is needed).

4. Boot on battery and plug in the adapter *after* computer has been on for some time (5 or 15 mins.?) I can plug in the adapter and the computer works fine. In fact, if I shut down the computer and then turn it back on (w/adapter plugged in and battery installed) it boots fine (most of the time).

4A. Referring to Nos. 2 & 3 above...If I repeat No. 2, over time the laptop gets further and further into booting Windows (running Win 10) until it finally completely boots and runs great until I shut it down (it reboots fine, as well).

 

What I've checked/done:

1. Original adpater that came with laptop appears to output rated voltage even under load (when computer is running).

2. I've tried other adapters (of unknown quality...tho a couple were for HP laptops, and all were checked for output voltage) in case it was a noise issue. I'm about to build up a non-switching supply as another noise issue check.

3. I've dismantled the laptop to the point where I could check the battery/adapter switching circuit (on the motherboard) and as near as I can tell, the signals/circuitry is switching between battery and adapter as expected (when the adapter is plugged in, I can see the adapter voltage (~19.3V) on the main votage source. When using just the battery, I see the battery voltage (12.5V) on the main voltage source). Seems the CPU and other circuitry is working....at least as much as I can tell it is.

4. From schematics I can see that the only circuitry "unique" to the adapter side is the charging circuit (adapter drives, battery receives) and adapter/battery switching circuits (the 2 switching circuits have 1 common point which becomes the main power source for the laptop).

5. Upgraded the CPU from an i3-380 to an i5-560 on the off chance the CPU was somehow a source of the problem...it wasn't. I wanted to improve the laptop performance anyway.

 

My first guess was that it was some kind of heat issue in that things won't work when cold, but then start to as the laptop warms up. However, this happens ONLY when the adapter is plugged in (never a problem on battery only). Then there's the possibility it's still a noise issue. I've tried a few different power adapters (functional but of unknown quality) but the problem wasn't solved. Then I guess there's the possibility it's a bit of both (ugh!).

 

I realize some of this is kind of technical, so apologies to those who are unable to fully understand what I've done so far.

 

I'm thinking of buying a recovered motherboard to see if I can get the laptop back to functionality (actually, it's very functional once it's up and running...it's just getting there that's frustrating

 

Didn't mean for this to go on for so long   If anyone has experienced something similar or has any ideas/suggestions that could help, I would appreciate it greatly. Thx.

 

   Cheers....

 

 

JackE

>>>Been trying to solve for quite some time>>>

 

Before installing Win10? Or ***immediately*** after Win10? Jack E/NJ

stepher

Appreciate your reply...Oh, were it so simple and easy

 

This problem has been around since the laptop was running Win 7 (came with the machine). Started about 2 years after I bought it, just didn't realize it would become such an issue.

 

As I mentioned in my original posting, I did get a linear supply (as opposed to the switcher adapter that came with the laptop) and did not solve the problem. So, I'm guessing I can rule out noise.

 

My only guess at this point is that some device (or component in that specific circuit) works great on battery voltage (12VDC) but can no longer handle the adapter voltage (~19.3), at least not until the device warms up. It might not even be a device, but instead a specific trace on the mother board (or maybe even a solder connection) that reconnects as the laptop warms up. Either of those could be unfixable (Altho, if it's a trace and I can figure that out, I could run a wire for reconnect).

 

I have a bit more investigating to do, then I'll call it a day and order up a "new" m/b. While it may not be the fastest laptop (I'm not a gamer) it's still in great condition and would still be much more cost-effective to replace the m/b as compared to buying a new laptop.

 

Thx again....

JackE

What happens if you try to boot from your homemade linear supply only, no battery? Is this supply regulated to not exceed about 13v?  Jack E/NJ 

stepher

Are you suggesting to use a 12VDC linear supply in place of the AC adapter? No, I haven't. I have schematics and there is some circuitry that "appears" to react differently to the higher voltage. The charging circuit is one (but that is not really "common" between the battery and the AC adapter circuit). I believe there might be 1 or 2 others used to detect the presence of an AC Adapter.

 

However, you make an interesting suggestion I hadn't thought of. Don't know if the laptop will power up with only 12V at the adapter input, but worth a try. That might confirm or deny the possible voltage issue. I'll set it up, check it out and post back the results.

 

BTW - I was able to adjust the linear supply from 24VDC -> 19VDC. I'll see if I can get it to 12V. If not, I have other 12V supplies that will work.

 

Thx for the help!!