Orion 3000 performance lacking -Upgrade options

JannerSy
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edited February 15 in 2020 Archives
I bought a Predator Orion 3000 for VR sim racing based on it exceeding minimum specs of the games I wanted to play, but I've found it struggles and i clearly didn't dint research enough as it judders and the FPS is too low without drastical reducing image quality.  I'm looking to upgrade  but this time I want to buy nice not twice.

Predator Orion 3000 PO3-620 Gaming PC - Intel® Core™ i7 10700 (non k variant), RTX 2060, 16gb DDR4 Ram (2666mhz)

I have read conflicting info, so am unsure, is the motherboard maxed out with 2666mhz ram making it pointless to upgrade to 3200 or 3600mhz ram?

A bit of research shows an i9 10900k is a direct fit which is good news however, is it as simple as installing a new CPU and thats it or does it need setting up in BIOS or drivers installing? 

Also being the k variant, its overclockable, but does this Motherboard allow overclocking of CPUs?

Being used for VR gaming, ill need a better CPU cooler but my case isn't big so I'm not sure where I'd mount the cooling fan matrix so ill have to stick to air cooled. Would a Noctua NH-D15 suffice if overclocked?

I think I'm space constrained but a RTX3070 will fit lengthways, just. However, with it being a higher power GPU combined with a mire powerful CPU, will the PSU need upgrading?

Thanks, 
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  • Frenzy4
    Frenzy4 Member Posts: 37 Devotee WiFi Icon
    edited December 2020 Answer ✓
    JannerSy said:
    I bought a Predator Orion 3000 for VR sim racing based on it exceeding minimum specs of the games I wanted to play, but I've found it struggles and i clearly didn't dint research enough as it judders and the FPS is too low without drastical reducing image quality.  I'm looking to upgrade  but this time I want to buy nice not twice.

    Predator Orion 3000 PO3-620 Gaming PC - Intel® Core™ i7 10700 (non k variant), RTX 2060, 16gb DDR4 Ram (2666mhz)

    I have read conflicting info, so am unsure, is the motherboard maxed out with 2666mhz ram making it pointless to upgrade to 3200 or 3600mhz ram?

    A bit of research shows an i9 10900k is a direct fit which is good news however, is it as simple as installing a new CPU and thats it or does it need setting up in BIOS or drivers installing? 

    Also being the k variant, its overclockable, but does this Motherboard allow overclocking of CPUs?

    Being used for VR gaming, ill need a better CPU cooler but my case isn't big so I'm not sure where I'd mount the cooling fan matrix so ill have to stick to air cooled. Would a Noctua NH-D15 suffice if overclocked?

    I think I'm space constrained but a RTX3070 will fit lengthways, just. However, with it being a higher power GPU combined with a mire powerful CPU, will the PSU need upgrading?

    Thanks, 
    ****

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    Acer-Erick

    Are you sure you are being bottlenecked by your CPU? The i7-10th gen is very good, it has 8cores and 16threads, I find it very hard to believe it is not capable of your gaming needs. I don't much about VR gaming so I could be mistaken. The i9-10900k will not work with your motherboard, since you have a motherboard made for non K chips. The same thing with RAM, you have a lower end motherboard that cannot use higher RAM. You can only use higher speed ram and K chips with a H490 motherboard, you do not have that. If you wanted to, you could buy a mini itx H490 motherboard and use that, even with your non k i7 it could use a mode called "multi core boost" and be overclocked while being a non K chip.

    The 2060 does however sound like it could struggle. You can replace it with a 3070 or the new AMD 6800 and both would fit. The 3070 for sure would fit since I have it on my orion 3000, but the amd one I am not sure, but its better than the 3070 it seems and on the smaller side too.

    A new power supply is recommended but you might be able to get away with it on a 500w power supply if you are a gambling man. Look up how much power the individual parts use and see if its enough, but its not smart to run it tbh.

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  • billsey
    billsey ACE Posts: 34,206 Trailblazer
    Yes, specs say the memory will run at 2666 MT/s no matter what speed you put in.
    The i7-10700 is a 65W chip, the i9-10900K is a 95W chip, so you'll want to upgrade the cooling at the same time as upgrading the processor, or else you'll be thermally throttled too much of the time. You shouldn't need any BIOS or software changes, but I'd go into the BIOS and do a F9 reset and F10 save just to be safe. Your Predator Sense application should have overclocking settings in it if the MB supports overclocking.
    I believe you have a 500W ATX12VO power supply. You'll want a larger one for the RTX 3070 (NVIDIA says 650W) but it can be a challenge to find the ATX12VO supplies, so do due diligence in sourcing one, you may end up having to wait for larger ones to be introduced. You can't use an older ATX design, they don't have enough 12V and have different connectors.
    I believe your system came with a NVMe 4 lane SSD, so no need for an upgrade there...
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  • Frenzy4
    Frenzy4 Member Posts: 37 Devotee WiFi Icon
    edited December 2020 Answer ✓
    JannerSy said:
    I bought a Predator Orion 3000 for VR sim racing based on it exceeding minimum specs of the games I wanted to play, but I've found it struggles and i clearly didn't dint research enough as it judders and the FPS is too low without drastical reducing image quality.  I'm looking to upgrade  but this time I want to buy nice not twice.

    Predator Orion 3000 PO3-620 Gaming PC - Intel® Core™ i7 10700 (non k variant), RTX 2060, 16gb DDR4 Ram (2666mhz)

    I have read conflicting info, so am unsure, is the motherboard maxed out with 2666mhz ram making it pointless to upgrade to 3200 or 3600mhz ram?

    A bit of research shows an i9 10900k is a direct fit which is good news however, is it as simple as installing a new CPU and thats it or does it need setting up in BIOS or drivers installing? 

    Also being the k variant, its overclockable, but does this Motherboard allow overclocking of CPUs?

    Being used for VR gaming, ill need a better CPU cooler but my case isn't big so I'm not sure where I'd mount the cooling fan matrix so ill have to stick to air cooled. Would a Noctua NH-D15 suffice if overclocked?

    I think I'm space constrained but a RTX3070 will fit lengthways, just. However, with it being a higher power GPU combined with a mire powerful CPU, will the PSU need upgrading?

    Thanks, 
    ****

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    Acer-Erick

    Are you sure you are being bottlenecked by your CPU? The i7-10th gen is very good, it has 8cores and 16threads, I find it very hard to believe it is not capable of your gaming needs. I don't much about VR gaming so I could be mistaken. The i9-10900k will not work with your motherboard, since you have a motherboard made for non K chips. The same thing with RAM, you have a lower end motherboard that cannot use higher RAM. You can only use higher speed ram and K chips with a H490 motherboard, you do not have that. If you wanted to, you could buy a mini itx H490 motherboard and use that, even with your non k i7 it could use a mode called "multi core boost" and be overclocked while being a non K chip.

    The 2060 does however sound like it could struggle. You can replace it with a 3070 or the new AMD 6800 and both would fit. The 3070 for sure would fit since I have it on my orion 3000, but the amd one I am not sure, but its better than the 3070 it seems and on the smaller side too.

    A new power supply is recommended but you might be able to get away with it on a 500w power supply if you are a gambling man. Look up how much power the individual parts use and see if its enough, but its not smart to run it tbh.
  • JannerSy
    JannerSy Member Posts: 9

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    Frenzy4 said:

    Are you sure you are being bottlenecked by your CPU? The i7-10th gen is very good, it has 8cores and 16threads, I find it very hard to believe it is not capable of your gaming needs. I don't much about VR gaming so I could be mistaken. The i9-10900k will not work with your motherboard, since you have a motherboard made for non K chips. The same thing with RAM, you have a lower end motherboard that cannot use higher RAM. You can only use higher speed ram and K chips with a H490 motherboard, you do not have that. If you wanted to, you could buy a mini itx H490 motherboard and use that, even with your non k i7 it could use a mode called "multi core boost" and be overclocked while being a non K chip.

    The 2060 does however sound like it could struggle. You can replace it with a 3070 or the new AMD 6800 and both would fit. The 3070 for sure would fit since I have it on my orion 3000, but the amd one I am not sure, but its better than the 3070 it seems and on the smaller side too.

    A new power supply is recommended but you might be able to get away with it on a 500w power supply if you are a gambling man. Look up how much power the individual parts use and see if its enough, but its not smart to run it tbh.
    This is spot on.

    I did some checks on MSI afterburner. My GPU is maxing out with 100% and only producing 35 FPS which is pump so it is clearly the biggest issue.

    Oddly CPU looks lightly loaded until you get to cores 5-9 which go mental and are consistently spiking to 100%. The others cores are fine at 10-20%.

    RAM also looks to be only using 9gb so I have 7gb spare.

    This is good news though and I will look at the 6800 as an option.  Had initially been looking at the 3080 which the 6800 doesn't seem to compete with, bit neverconsidered it against the 3070.  Will need to look into the PSU.
  • JannerSy
    JannerSy Member Posts: 9

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    Frenzy4 said:. 

    The 3070 for sure would fit since I have it on my orion 3000, but the amd one I am not sure, but its better than the 3070 it seems and on the smaller side too.


    What model 3070 do you have?

    The RX 6800 seem too long. I have just uner 10" space for the gpu
  • Frenzy4
    Frenzy4 Member Posts: 37 Devotee WiFi Icon
    edited December 2020
    JannerSy said:
    Frenzy4 said:. 

    The 3070 for sure would fit since I have it on my orion 3000, but the amd one I am not sure, but its better than the 3070 it seems and on the smaller side too.


    What model 3070 do you have?

    The RX 6800 seem too long. I have just uner 10" space for the gpu
    the FE. i also have the first gen predator orion 3000, not the newest one. So the case is different, I could actually fit a 3080 in mine. I think the limit is close to 11.6"

  • JannerSy
    JannerSy Member Posts: 9

    Tinkerer
    Just had it open. My PSU is a Liteon 500W 80+ Gold
    PA-4501-1AC-ROHS
    Mfg Date 2020/06/09

    In terms of dimensions it looks like thats about as big as it can be due to space constraints.  Are PSUs std dimensions or do I need to physically take it out and measure available space?
  • billsey
    billsey ACE Posts: 34,206 Trailblazer
    PSUs are standard dimensions. The ATX and ATX12VO PSUs are the same physical size, they just have different cabling due to the different voltages being provided.
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  • KenCHeung
    KenCHeung Member Posts: 6 New User
    edited December 2020
    JannerSy said:
    Just had it open. My PSU is a Liteon 500W 80+ Gold
    PA-4501-1AC-ROHS
    Mfg Date 2020/06/09

    In terms of dimensions it looks like thats about as big as it can be due to space constraints.  Are PSUs std dimensions or do I need to physically take it out and measure available space?
    Sorry for this irrelevant question. I have roughly done a calculation on Evga Power Meter, which says I only need about 453W to run a RTX 3070. Just wonder what you guys think if this PSU would be sufficient?  Thank You!
  • billsey
    billsey ACE Posts: 34,206 Trailblazer
    It likely wouldn't hurt to try, although I would expect if the power is too low it will present with random crashes when working it hard, rather than something like a popup that says it's out of power... But I haven't actually tested for that. :)
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