Why is my predator helios 300 suddenly overheating?

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  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    edited June 2018
    Sharfan said:
    Funny thing is I can see a 10 degree decrease in CPU temps when i apply my undervolt and run a CPU stress test... As soon as I stress both the CPU and GPU at the same time using AIDA64... the temps skyrocket into the 90s... Yes I know there will be additional heat from the GPU and i know that stress tests aren't representative of gaming session because the CPU and GPU won't always be running at 100% during a game... But its almost as if the undervolt makes no difference at all... I'm gonna try resetting windows in about a weeks time to see if it makes any difference...
    It's really not all that strange.
    Since CPU & GPU share a heatsinks, when one increases in temps they both do.
    That's why I shared my video, if you undervolt the GPU it will lower CPU temps another 10 C.
    I'd like to add that the undervolt/overclock profile lessens temps by 10 C for both CPU/GPU while making performance much better.
    10 k on firestrike before, 10400 after.
    - Hotel Hero
  • Sharfan
    Sharfan Member Posts: 45 Troubleshooter
    Red-Sand said:
    Sharfan said:
    Funny thing is I can see a 10 degree decrease in CPU temps when i apply my undervolt and run a CPU stress test... As soon as I stress both the CPU and GPU at the same time using AIDA64... the temps skyrocket into the 90s... Yes I know there will be additional heat from the GPU and i know that stress tests aren't representative of gaming session because the CPU and GPU won't always be running at 100% during a game... But its almost as if the undervolt makes no difference at all... I'm gonna try resetting windows in about a weeks time to see if it makes any difference...
    It's really not all that strange.
    Since CPU & GPU share a heatsinks, when one increases in temps they both do.
    That's why I shared my video, if you undervolt the GPU it will lower CPU temps another 10 C.
    I'd like to add that the undervolt/overclock profile lessens temps by 10 C for both CPU/GPU while making performance much better.
    10 k on firestrike before, 10400 after.
    So I watched the video and there's a profile that you show overclock/undervolt... you say we should flat-line at 1885Mhz but your graph shows you flat-lining around 1900Mhz... Which do I follow?
    Also in the profile where you show stock performance with undervolt.... Why does your graph flat-line at 1822Mhz when the stock graph actually flat-lines at 1911Mhz... I know reducing the clock speed helps to reduce heat output... but in this case wont you lose performance as well which makes it worse than stock performance?
    I know that for both the overclock/undervolt and stock/undervolt profiles you reduced the required voltage at each frequency which should reduce heat output... But neither of them reach the maximum stock frequency (1911Mhz) so how can they be considered stock or overclock respectively?
  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    edited June 2018
    Well if you were to check with GPU z etc when benchmarking the stock curve you'll see that you rarely go above 17XX mhz.
    My undervolt profiles allow you to hit my designated clock speeds consistently.

    So while it may seem that I'm toning down the clock speeds, the lesser voltage usage and consistency of reaching said clocks is much easier and stable, producing better performance.

    All of my profiles were tested over and over for months and tests were conducted using various benchmarks including the paid 3dMark benches.

    "Max Q" - Lesser voltages at higher clocks than the Max Q 1060
    Stock - Same benchmark and gaming scores as stock just undervolt for lower temps and fps is more stable then stock over extended gaming periods (you won't lose performance after a few hours of gameplay like before)
    UV/OV - Boost in performance over stock with lesser temps

    I suggest giving it a try to see the results yourself. I run a Helios 300 Facebook group with 2800+ Helios owners and have had no negative feedback using the above profiles.

    *edit* and to answer your question, follow the numerical values shown on screen and dont worry about the curve graph. I believe there's one profile shown where the graph is different. I had to redo all my values and had already partially made the video after the meltdown/spectre changes.
    - Hotel Hero
  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    Also I'd like to add that the stock curve for a 1050ti also shows 1911mhz as the max value in the curve.. I believe it's just a stock setting and isn't meant to show actual reachable clocks.
    - Hotel Hero
  • Sharfan
    Sharfan Member Posts: 45 Troubleshooter
    Red-Sand said:
    Also I'd like to add that the stock curve for a 1050ti also shows 1911mhz as the max value in the curve.. I believe it's just a stock setting and isn't meant to show actual reachable clocks.
    Thank you very much for the clarification :) ... I'll give the overclock/undervolt profile a shot and check benchmark scores

  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    One last thing: After you apply your curves be sure to reboot them reapply the same saved curve profile then play your game.

    You must apply the set curve after every reboot to gain the full benefits (auto start works just not quite as good as reapplying)
    - Hotel Hero
  • Sharfan
    Sharfan Member Posts: 45 Troubleshooter
    I followed your instructions on the GPU overclock/undervolt profile and unfortunately it didn't make much of a difference only 1 fps increase in unigine valley and the temps were only about 3 degrees lower in the benchmark... In the Witcher 3 the temps became worse and the CPU hit the 90s again...
  • Queen6
    Queen6 Member Posts: 319 Skilled Practitioner WiFi Icon
    Red-Sand said:
    Also I'd like to add that the stock curve for a 1050ti also shows 1911mhz as the max value in the curve.. I believe it's just a stock setting and isn't meant to show actual reachable clocks.

    Tend to agree as you'll never reach such high clocks on a 1050/1060

    Q-6
  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    Queen6 said:
    Red-Sand said:
    Also I'd like to add that the stock curve for a 1050ti also shows 1911mhz as the max value in the curve.. I believe it's just a stock setting and isn't meant to show actual reachable clocks.

    Tend to agree as you'll never reach such high clocks on a 1050/1060

    Q-6
    Actually....
    I've managed to reach 2100mhz on the 1060 using driver 388.31
    - Hotel Hero
  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    Sharfan said:
    I followed your instructions on the GPU overclock/undervolt profile and unfortunately it didn't make much of a difference only 1 fps increase in unigine valley and the temps were only about 3 degrees lower in the benchmark... In the Witcher 3 the temps became worse and the CPU hit the 90s again...
    Are you rebooting after applying the profile with msi set to start at boot?
    You're the first to say it made things worse lol.
    - Hotel Hero
  • Sharfan
    Sharfan Member Posts: 45 Troubleshooter
    Maybe I did it wrong :/...
    So after turning it my laptop on... I should load the profile, then hit the tick icon and reboot?
    Then after rebooting, I should load the profile and hit the tick icon again? Then start the game?
  • Queen6
    Queen6 Member Posts: 319 Skilled Practitioner WiFi Icon
    Red-Sand said:
    Queen6 said:
    Red-Sand said:
    Also I'd like to add that the stock curve for a 1050ti also shows 1911mhz as the max value in the curve.. I believe it's just a stock setting and isn't meant to show actual reachable clocks.

    Tend to agree as you'll never reach such high clocks on a 1050/1060

    Q-6
    Actually....
    I've managed to reach 2100mhz on the 1060 using driver 388.31
    Fair enough, don't remember it reaching so high on the 1060, OC?

    Q-6
  • Sharfan
    Sharfan Member Posts: 45 Troubleshooter
    Red-Sand said:
    Sharfan said:
    I followed your instructions on the GPU overclock/undervolt profile and unfortunately it didn't make much of a difference only 1 fps increase in unigine valley and the temps were only about 3 degrees lower in the benchmark... In the Witcher 3 the temps became worse and the CPU hit the 90s again...
    Are you rebooting after applying the profile with msi set to start at boot?
    You're the first to say it made things worse lol.
    I started my notebook, loaded up MSI Afterburner and loaded the profile and clicked the tick icon.
    I then rebooted the notebook and repeated the above process. I also started up throttlestop for the CPU undervolt. Ran the unigine valley benchmark tool... However the temps were the same as no GPU undervolt....
  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    Queen6 said:
    Red-Sand said:
    Queen6 said:
    Red-Sand said:
    Also I'd like to add that the stock curve for a 1050ti also shows 1911mhz as the max value in the curve.. I believe it's just a stock setting and isn't meant to show actual reachable clocks.

    Tend to agree as you'll never reach such high clocks on a 1050/1060

    Q-6
    Actually....
    I've managed to reach 2100mhz on the 1060 using driver 388.31
    Fair enough, don't remember it reaching so high on the 1060, OC?

    Q-6
    Yes OC. I have seen others reach 2200mhz from my FB group but 2100 was highest I felt comfortable going lol
    - Hotel Hero
  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    Sharfan said:
    Red-Sand said:
    Sharfan said:
    I followed your instructions on the GPU overclock/undervolt profile and unfortunately it didn't make much of a difference only 1 fps increase in unigine valley and the temps were only about 3 degrees lower in the benchmark... In the Witcher 3 the temps became worse and the CPU hit the 90s again...
    Are you rebooting after applying the profile with msi set to start at boot?
    You're the first to say it made things worse lol.
    I started my notebook, loaded up MSI Afterburner and loaded the profile and clicked the tick icon.
    I then rebooted the notebook and repeated the above process. I also started up throttlestop for the CPU undervolt. Ran the unigine valley benchmark tool... However the temps were the same as no GPU undervolt....
    Then something isn't set right somewhere... hmmm...

    Are you sure the settings in options (msi ab) match the settings in my video?

    Be sure to make ALL your settings match mine even the start automatically options.. as msi ab doesn't work properly unless it's set to start and apply at boot.
    - Hotel Hero
  • Sharfan
    Sharfan Member Posts: 45 Troubleshooter
    Red-Sand said:
    Sharfan said:
    Red-Sand said:
    Sharfan said:
    I followed your instructions on the GPU overclock/undervolt profile and unfortunately it didn't make much of a difference only 1 fps increase in unigine valley and the temps were only about 3 degrees lower in the benchmark... In the Witcher 3 the temps became worse and the CPU hit the 90s again...
    Are you rebooting after applying the profile with msi set to start at boot?
    You're the first to say it made things worse lol.
    I started my notebook, loaded up MSI Afterburner and loaded the profile and clicked the tick icon.
    I then rebooted the notebook and repeated the above process. I also started up throttlestop for the CPU undervolt. Ran the unigine valley benchmark tool... However the temps were the same as no GPU undervolt....
    Then something isn't set right somewhere... hmmm...

    Are you sure the settings in options (msi ab) match the settings in my video?

    Be sure to make ALL your settings match mine even the start automatically options.. as msi ab doesn't work properly unless it's set to start and apply at boot.
    I went back and checked all the settings and the 'start with windows' wasn't checked... I checked it... and did everything again.... Still no difference in temps however I noticed a increase in GPU clock speed... getting temps in the high 80s for CPU and around 75 for GPU in Novigrad of Witcher 3 (Same as before).....
  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    Try defaulting your BIOs yet?
    Try moving your throttlestop.ini file out of the throttlestop folder and put it somewhere safe. Then shut down (not reboot) and hit F2 to enter BIOs then F9 to default the BIOs then F10 to save and exit.

    Turn laptop back on and replace the throttlestop.ini into the the throttlestop folder and do a regular reboot.

    Then bootup and apply the msi profile by selecting the profile number then hit the check mark to apply & test your game/temps.
    - Hotel Hero
  • Sharfan
    Sharfan Member Posts: 45 Troubleshooter
    Red-Sand said:
    Try defaulting your BIOs yet?
    Try moving your throttlestop.ini file out of the throttlestop folder and put it somewhere safe. Then shut down (not reboot) and hit F2 to enter BIOs then F9 to default the BIOs then F10 to save and exit.

    Turn laptop back on and replace the throttlestop.ini into the the throttlestop folder and do a regular reboot.

    Then bootup and apply the msi profile by selecting the profile number then hit the check mark to apply & test your game/temps.
    Did as you said.... temps (High 80s) stayed the same in Novigrad where CPU usage is around 50-60%... I decided to leave the area into the wild where the CPU usage is 38-45% expecting the temps to drop to the 70s... but they remained in the 80s.. only slightly lower than in Novigrad...
  • Red-Sand
    Red-Sand ACE Posts: 1,892 Pathfinder
    Yeah not sure where the conflict in setting is then since I'm not on your laptop myself.

    There should be a huge drop in temperatures especially using -200mV less than stock lol. My only guess is the undervolt isn't being applied for some reason.
    - Hotel Hero
  • Sharfan
    Sharfan Member Posts: 45 Troubleshooter
    Red-Sand said:
    Yeah not sure where the conflict in setting is then since I'm not on your laptop myself.

    There should be a huge drop in temperatures especially using -200mV less than stock lol. My only guess is the undervolt isn't being applied for some reason.
    I think I will just reset windows and try CPU undervolt alone to see if it returns to the way my temps used to be... If not I guess I'll have to repaste with my CoolerMaster Mastergel Pro as a final effort

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