Computer does not boot on cold - I think that's the term
Acer desktop AspireX3470
When I press the power button to start up the computer in the morning, it turns on and gets as far as the ACER logo screen and that's it...I've waited up to twenty minutes and nothing ever happens. So I then press the power button again to turn it off, which it does. Then I press the power button again and it boots up without a glitch, in very little time. This has been going on for months now 9 days out of 10. On shutdown, it often gets suck on the screen that says that some programs are still running, though there are no obvious ones, I let it do it's thing and it shuts down...I don't choose the force shutdown. There is no issue starting up or restarting the computer unless it is the first time of the day.
I am running Kaspersky anti virus and do manual backups every week.
I've done the usual disc check and defrag, windows memory check and saw a lot of warnings, critical and errors in the Operational Performance diagnostics events viewer. So yesterday I installed CCleaner and disabled everything in the start up that I could find that was not relevant and did a registry cleanup. I've also checked up to date drivers for the processors AMD A6-3620 APU with Radeon HD graphics, for the Microsoft System Management BIOS and the Microsoft Virtual Drive Enumerator and they are all up to date. Since yesterday's cleanup it now runs faster but unfortunately again it needed the double start to get it going this morning...which I am sure cannot go on forever before it creates fatal damage to the computer.
I'm a newbie at this and since I cannot find anyone that has this particular problem when I Google the issue, which ever way I word it, nor can I afford to get someone to look at it, here I am hoping that these symptoms will attract someone for whom it means something and can help.
Thank you in advance
Answers
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Are you using Windows 7 still?
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Yes I am using Windows 7pro, which I am also still using on a Sony Vaio laptop with absolutely no issues. I haven't changed over to windows 10 because Ihave a number of programs that might not be compatible with with windows 10. I also have many friends still running windows 7 without computer issues, so I don't think this is the culprit.
I forgot to mention that when on a cold start up as again this morning, the Acer logo screen comes up after the first beep...there are two messages at the bottom of the screen.
DEL: Enter BIOS Setup and F12: Enter Boot Menu
This morning I pressed F12 and after a minute or more, the various options appeared, none of which were available so I pressed ESC, which then produced the Starting Windows screen, which stayed up for 2-3 minutes and then completed in seconds to the desktop.
I then checked the event viewer for the Operational Diagnosis Performance which had a few 100 and 101 error and a 106 critical Background Prefetch Time 49694
Hope that is more important info.
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Did you recently install new memory? What memory are you using? Take out all but 1 and try boot. Test with each dimm. It calls for PC3-10600 DDR3-1333MHz.
Are you at the P01.A4l bios? If not upgrade.
Try reinstalling the chipset driver
Chipset AMD Chipset Driver 8.862.3 215.7 MB 2011/09/26 Download Download and run Malwarebytes free https://www.malwarebytes.org/mwb-download/
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Thank you for replying Philetus. The computer actually started normally yesterday, but not this morning, so I am sending you feedback on the directives you have offered.
I have not installed any new memory or new hardware components.
The memory is 2 X 2GB DDR3 RAM chips= 4GB total...how do I find out on my computer what exactly is the RAM type as you mention, other than when I take it out to test?
The BIOS is P01-A4, 20/12/2011...is that the same as you mention? or is the "l" after the 4 important or a typo or for Linux (I run Windows 7pro)?
I've installed the chipset driver you suggested and restated computer without an issue (it isn't an issue when warm)
I have been running CCleaner regularly for the past week...I've run it again a few times today.
I have Kaspersky internet security running on this computer since owning it...
I've downloaded and run Malwarebytes...18 potentially unwanted program level threat - mostly ASK toolbar and Internet Exporer items, neither of which I use...I have snagged the image but don't seem to find how to attach it to this post. I've uninstalled the Malwarebytes program.
Since I can't tell, if there is any change untill I start the computer again when it's cold tomorrow morning, I will wait till then before doing the memory removal that you mention...and report back. It certainly doesn't seem any different on the warm restarts after making these changes.
Thank you very much in advance for your attention, it is very appreciated.
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If you've never opened it and got it new, the memory is probably correct.
The P01l-A4 bios IS for Linux.You don't need it.
You don't need to keep running CCleaner. I run it maybe every three or four months.
Malwarebytes is one of the best programs anyone can put in their computer. If you had the Pro version, which runs in the background, it would have caught those malware.
Since you have never opened it, you should take the side panel off, get a can of air and blow it out.
Dust buildup on the inside and on the motherboard can cause it to do strange things.
Unplug the power and on the left side, with the plug at the bottom, remove the two screws on the back and slide the panel back a little and it will come right off. If it's clean, good,but it can't hurt to look.
Also, if you can, reseat the memory dimms.
To reinstall, slide into the slot and be aware of where thie pin is. Gently press the sides until the clips pop back up.
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Thanks again Philetus.
The computer was bought new and has the original memory that it was bought with...as you say its most likely correct. Two or three months ago, the first thing we did try when it started to act up on the startup, was to open it up and blow it out...unfortunately it did not remove the issue nor did it make it worse.
This morning that same thing happened on a cold startup...having to power off and power on again. So no improvement.
The diagnostic performance log though has a critical level event:
Critical 20/04/2016 6:19:56 AM Diagnostics-Performance 100 Boot Performance Monitoring.
Windows has started up:
Boot Duration : 103986ms
IsDegradation : false
Incident Time (UTC) : 2016-04-20T10:14:03.702800400ZDetails:
- EventData BootTsVersion 2 BootStartTime 2016-04-20T10:14:03.702800400Z BootEndTime 2016-04-20T10:19:51.712006100Z SystemBootInstance 2107 UserBootInstance 1734 BootTime 103986 MainPathBootTime 17686 BootKernelInitTime 32 BootDriverInitTime 1340 BootDevicesInitTime 1542 BootPrefetchInitTime 47250 BootPrefetchBytes 542846976 BootAutoChkTime 0 BootSmssInitTime 6481 BootCriticalServicesInitTime 517 BootUserProfileProcessingTime 1140 BootMachineProfileProcessingTime 1 BootExplorerInitTime 2664 BootNumStartupApps 7 BootPostBootTime 86300 BootIsRebootAfterInstall false BootRootCauseStepImprovementBits 0 BootRootCauseGradualImprovementBits 0 BootRootCauseStepDegradationBits 0 BootRootCauseGradualDegradationBits 0 BootIsDegradation false BootIsStepDegradation false BootIsGradualDegradation false BootImprovementDelta 0 BootDegradationDelta 0 BootIsRootCauseIdentified false OSLoaderDuration 2607 BootPNPInitStartTimeMS 32 BootPNPInitDuration 1682 OtherKernelInitDuration 2872 SystemPNPInitStartTimeMS 4507 SystemPNPInitDuration 1200 SessionInitStartTimeMS 5755 Session0InitDuration 2256 Session1InitDuration 485 SessionInitOtherDuration 3740 WinLogonStartTimeMS 12237 OtherLogonInitActivityDuration 1643 UserLogonWaitDuration 242453 On Monday, when the computer started up in one shot, there was no event log. On Tuesday 3 X 100 Warnings.
If I look back to Sunday there were 4 events in the log:
Critical 17/04/2016 7:39:50 AM Diagnostics-Performance 106 Boot Performance Monitoring
Background optimizations (prefetching) took longer to complete, resulting in a performance degradation in the system start up process:
Name : BackgroundPrefetchTime
Total Time : 49694ms
Degradation Time : 43776ms
Incident Time (UTC) : 2016-04-17T11:37:14.780800500ZWarning 17/04/2016 7:39:50 AM Diagnostics-Performance 100 Boot Performance Monitoring
Warning 17/04/2016 7:39:50 AM Diagnostics-Performance 203 Shutdown Performance Monitoring
This service caused a delay in the system shutdown process:
File Name : PolicyAgent
Friendly Name : Windows IPsec SPD Server DLL
Version : 6.1.7601.17514 (win7sp1_rtm.101119-1850)
Total Time : 304ms
Degradation Time : 878ms
Incident Time (UTC) : 2016-04-16T19:44:48.281770200ZWarning 17/04/2016 7:39:50 AM Diagnostics-Performance 200 Shutdown Performance Monitoring
Windows has shutdown:
Shutdown Duration : 18011ms
IsDegradation : false
Incident Time (UTC) : 2016-04-16T19:44:48.281770200ZI hope this give further clues to what is happening.
Thanks in advance, your attention is very appreciated.
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Open a command prompt as administrator.
Type chkdsk /f this will check the disk for errors. It will ask you to reboot.
After that is finished, open the command prompt again and run,
type sfc /scannow
This will check and repair corrupt files in Windows.
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I've just done both the scan and the check and repair...the resulting message is:
"Windows Resource Protection did not find any integrity violations."
BTW: was this a different way of doing the scan disk and error check from the TOOLS section...I did those checks last week...this certainly seemed faster.
Thanks again Philetus, I still appreciate your continued assistance in solving this mystery.
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Hello again Philetus,
I have been silent for a few days hoping that the issue was solved, as I've watched my computer start up cold 3 mornings in a row, but this morning it did not start and I had to power off and power on again.
The Operational Diagnostic performance event viewer shows a lot less events (there used to be multiples a day). One 100 Boot performance monitoring per day event for the 3 days it started up on the first shot - 2 warning and one critical, which is surprising.
So, if you or anyone who has followed all the different steps that have been taken to try to solve this issue, has any wisdom to share, Please do.
The computer is running well at the moment even with these double start ups but I can`t imagine that holding the power button to shut it down and restarting it most every morning is not doing it harm that is cumulative.
Thank you in advance to any advice put forward.
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I would run a memory test just to rule it out completely.
Since it only does this from the initial cold start, I would suspect the power supply is weak and tired and doesn't quite have enough for that first start attempt.
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Thank you again for responding Philetus. It's a very busy spring season here in the country so I am not indoors much...it is supposed to rain next week so I will be more present on the issue.
The memtest is something I had looked into before posting on this forum...I got the image disk done and had stopped cold in my tracks when I realized that I don't have a clue on which settings to do or how to interpret the results, so I went looking for more info and found this forum/You...the idea that some computers crash doing the memtest was not promising either to this newbie. Putting this on the back burner for a moment, as well as chingin the power supply (last resort), I want to mention that the computer is starting up cold a bit more often and certainly is shutting down better without the force shutdown messages coming up as often.
There have also been no critical event in the diagnostic performance this week, only warnings and only a few, so these are great improvements.
This brings me back to CCleaner, where I have disabled some Windows Startup items, but not knowing if there are more that could be disabled?, and I have not the knowledge to know if any of the Startup schedule or Context menu could also be disabled? Would you be so kind as to look first at the following Windows Startup items that are left running and let me know if any more can be disabled?
Yes HKCU:Run CCleaner Monitoring Piriform Ltd "C:\Program Files\CCleaner\CCleaner64.exe" /MONITOR
Yes HKLM:Run EvtMgr6 Logitech, Inc. C:\Program Files\Logitech\SetPointP\SetPoint.exe /launchGaming
Yes HKLM:Run Hotkey Utility Acer Incorporated C:\Program Files (x86)\Acer\Hotkey Utility\HotkeyUtility.exeYes HKLM:Run Logitech Download Assistant Microsoft Corporation C:\Windows\system32\rundll32.exe C:\Windows\System32\LogiLDA.dll,LogiFetch
Yes HKLM:Run RTHDVCPL Realtek Semiconductor C:\Program Files\Realtek\Audio\HDA\RAVCpl64.exe -sYes HKLM:Run StartCCC Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. "C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CLIStart.exe" MSRun
Yes Startup Common APC UPS Status.lnk American Power Conversion Corporation C:\Program Files (x86)\APC\APC PowerChute Personal Edition\Display.exe
Thank you in advance Philetus
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Open CCleaner/Options/Monitoring and uncheck the enable monitoring boxes. Just run it when you feel the need.
Type msconfig in Windows search. Startup tab and disable
Logitech Download Assistant it doesn't need to be searching for a driver all the time
StartCCC
and Hotkey Utility if you don't use it Acer Hotkey Utility is a desktop utility to hide programs and windows, instantly shutdown, restart or logoff, open unlimited amounts of websites, programs, games, files, folders, drives and more. Hotkey Utility is instaled by default with all new Acer computers.
Reboot.
Open a command prompt as Administrator and type sfc /scannow
type and run chkdsk /f
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Followed your instructions, all done...no issue restarting, thank you again Philetus We'll see how it starts up tomorrow.
In the mean time I feel I should ask is there any thing I should be disabling from the Startup Scheduled tasks? or Context menu Startup? in CCleaner tomorrow if the issue is still there.
Yes Task Adobe ARM Adobe Systems Incorporated "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\ARM\1.0\AdobeARM.exe"
Yes Task Adobe Flash Player Updater Adobe Systems Incorporated C:\Windows\SysWOW64\Macromed\Flash\FlashPlayerUpdateService.exe
Yes Task Adobe Reader Speed Launcher "C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 10.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe"
Yes Task CCleanerSkipUAC Piriform Ltd "C:\Program Files\CCleaner\CCleaner.exe" $(Arg0)
Yes Task SidebarExecute Microsoft Corporation C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe
Yes Task UALU notificatin Acer Incorporated "C:\Program Files\Acer\Acer Updater\UALU.exe"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Context menu Startup
Yes Directory Kaspersky Anti-Virus 16.0.0 Kaspersky Lab ZAO C:\Program Files (x86)\Kaspersky Lab\Kaspersky Internet Security 16.0.0\x64\shellex.dll
Yes Drive Kaspersky Anti-Virus 16.0.0 Kaspersky Lab ZAO C:\Program Files (x86)\Kaspersky Lab\Kaspersky Internet Security 16.0.0\x64\shellex.dll
Yes File Adobe.Acrobat.ContextMenu Adobe Systems Inc. C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Acrobat 8.0\Acrobat Elements\ContextMenu.dll
Yes File EXIF ContextMenu ArcSoft Inc. C:\Program Files (x86)\ArcSoft\RAW Thumbnail Viewer\ShellContextMenu.dll
Yes File Kaspersky Anti-Virus 16.0.0 Kaspersky Lab ZAO C:\Program Files (x86)\Kaspersky Lab\Kaspersky Internet Security 16.0.0\x64\shellex.dll
Yes File MWLIVShellExt Egis Technology Inc. C:\Program Files (x86)\EgisTec MyWinLocker\x64\MWLIVShellExt.dll
Yes File PhotoStreamsExt Apple Inc. C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Internet Services\ShellStreams64.dll
Yes File ShredderContextMenu Egis Technology Inc. C:\Program Files (x86)\EgisTec Shredder\x64\ShredderContextMenu.dll
Yes Folder Adobe.Acrobat.ContextMenu Adobe Systems Inc. C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Acrobat 8.0\Acrobat Elements\ContextMenu.dll
Yes Folder Kaspersky Anti-Virus 16.0.0 Kaspersky Lab ZAO C:\Program Files (x86)\Kaspersky Lab\Kaspersky Internet Security 16.0.0\x64\shellex.dll0 -
If you don't use a program, uninstall it. I don't use Win locker so I uninstall it and sredder.
Adobe ARM, Adobe Flash Player Updater, Adobe Reader Speed Launcher, CCleanerSkipUAC, UALU notificatin don't need to be running in the background.
Do you use SidebarExecute "Windows Sidebar is a long, vertical bar that is displayed on the side of your desktop. It contains mini-programs called gadgets".
Context menu if it doesn't need to start at boot, disable. Google each item.
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Thank you so very much Philetus, to my knowledge, I don't use any of those programs so I have disabled them... I haven't dared delete them yet.
Keeping my fingers cross that this overload on startup was causing the issue.
I will report back.
Many blessings
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