W4/W520

According to reports, Intel has started shipping low power 22nm BayTrail /Haswell chipsets to Manufacturers. This is the low power followon to Clover Train (W3 and W510). Wonder if Acer will be showing anything interesting at IDF.

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  • jason2234
    jason2234 Member Posts: 85 Troubleshooter

    when is idf on

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    Now.

     

    "Finally, Intel brought out Bay Trail, its new System on a Chip (SoC) for Windows and Android tablets. With its 22nm process, Intel is claiming that the Atom-based Bay Trail will offer better performance and battery life than its predecessor. Intel also said that Bay Trail will help bring down the cost of devices, with sub-$100 tablets out for Christmas."

     

    Under $100 for a featureless Android but under $300 for a W3 followon with all of the W3 features plus GPS ? That would be nice. In the middle a Chrome-tab: A4, C4 (what a name) and W4 and all with the same chassis.

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    Toshiba has announced a 8" Bay Trail/Windows 8.1 "Encore" tablet to be available 4Q with an 8MP camera, GPS, all of the W3 features, and a U$329.99 base price. I would be surprised if Acer did not have something similar since this will make the Clover Trail devices obsolete.

     

    Hopefully the display drivers will support Blu-Ray and it will be 1/2" narrower (to fit in a jacket pocket) than a W3.

     

     

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    Dell just announced the "Venue" - an 8" Bay Trail tablet.

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    Think Bay Trail is going to solve the BluRay problem also: " Bay Trail CPUs will support full hardware acceleration for every important video codec (including H.264, VA1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4/H.263, and MJPEG) and video-encoding support for H.264 and MPEG-2. The chips will also support DRM schemes, such as HDCP 1.4 (wired) and HDCP 2.0 (wireless)" http://www.pcworld.com/article/2048511/hands-on-with-bay-trail-intels-latest-best-hope-for-tablet-relevance.html

     

    Z2760 report

    Hardware Dual-Video Decoding Capability for H.264 : None  
    Hardware Dual-Video Decoding Capability for MPEG-2 : None  
    Hardware Dual-Video Decoding Capability for VC-1 : None

     

    New question is whether the W3 follow on (W4?) will have a Z3770 or Z3770D chipset. The "D" is likely limited to 32 bit operating systems and the single channel memory limits bandwidth.

  • Damreal
    Damreal Member Posts: 123 New User

    looking forward to Asus Transformer T100 Bay Trail Win 8 tablet. 349 32g ...369 64g. Oct 11th

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    There are a number of interesting Windows intros coming in the next few months. This is compiled from

     http://www.zdnet.com/several-under-300-intel-bay-trail-windows-8-1-devices-to-arrive-this-fall-report-7000020615/

     

    Acer: Updated version of 8-inch "Bay Trail" W3-810. Battery: 8 hours. Price: $349
    ASUS: 10.1-inch "Bay Trail" Transformer Book Trio T100TA. Battery: 12 hours. Price: $329.
    Dell: 8-inch "Bay Trail" Venue. Battery: 10+ hours. Price: $299
    Dell: 10.8-inch codenamed "Midland" running "BayTrail." Battery life: 9 hours (replaceable). Price: $399
    Lenovo: 8-inch "Bay Trail" Miix 8. Battery: 8 hours. Price: $249
    Lenovo: 10.1-inch "Bay Trail" Miix 2. Battery: 8 hours. Price: $449.
    Nokia: 10.1-inch Qualcomm (ARM) codenamed "Sirius." Battery: Up to 10 hours. Price: $499
    Toshiba: 8-inch "Bay Trail" Encore. Battery: 6-7 hours. Price: $329

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    This just appeared on liliputing: "The Acer Iconia W4-820 is expected to feature an Intel Atom Z3740 quad-core processor, a 32GB solid state drive, and Windows 8.1 software. It will have an 8 .1 inch, 1280 x 800 pixel display, stereo speakers, WiFi, Bluetooth, HDMI output, front and rear cameras, and it’ll come with Microsoft Office 2013 Home & Student."

     

    Lets just hope if it is the slower 3740 and not the 3770 that it is the dual channel 3740 and not the single channel 3740D.

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    Another pre-release W4 spotted in Germany . Specifically mentions the Z3740 chipset.  My hope is that like the 32GB & 64GB versions there will be  2GB & 4GB memory options. A 4GB/64GB W4 would answer a lot of needs.

     

    Will say that the z3740 is a lot more capable than the z3740D and apparently the same price. Let's hope we get the more capable one.

  • sdcoil
    sdcoil Member Posts: 7 New User

    The nice thing about the Z3740 is that it is capable of DirectX 11!  True DirectX 11.  Which will solve my problems. Smiley Happy

     

    I see that there are several 8 inch Windows 8.1 tablets (not RT) coming to market.  I just wish one of them would have 1080p.  Can't wait!

     

    --Stacy

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    My Clover Trail W3 (and W510) both support 1920x1080 AKA 1080p on external devices. Of course when connected WiFi speed drops dramatically.

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    More info on the Dell Venue 8 Pro and looks like the 8" model will have the Z3740D chipset. Duuuuumb IMNSHO since the single channel design limits speed, amount of RAM,  and choice of OS. Hopefully Acer will avoid this error and use the z3740 chipset (no "D").

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    http://omglaptop.com/tablet/acer-iconia-w4-with-atom-z3740/

     

    Still does not say if 3740 or 3740D and has typical clueless media statements: "features a bigger 8 inch display" (than a W3).

     

    Do think that Acer could leave the Dell behind by using the (same price) 3740 and not the "D" - is much more expandable/faster.

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    Been thinking a little more about the W3 and W510 condition. The W3 proves that the Clover Trail can be packaged in a 8" form factor so it would be reasonable to expect that the same chassis could be used with the larger screened W510 perhaps with a larger battery.

     

    Fear that the upcoming W4/W510 are going to use a common chassis with the Z3740D processor since it is essentially a plug and play replacement for the Z2760 and may be its intended use.

     

    The best those of us who need a bit more can hope for is a "premium" model of both with 64gb SSD, 4 GB of dual channel RAM (64 bit OS capable) and using the real Z3740 or maybe even a U$5 more expensive Z3770 @ 2.4 GHZ

     

    If this can be packaged again in a single chassis for both form factors then we could have a U$300 W4/U$350 W520 and with a U$150 premium a U$450 W4-2 and a $500 W520-2. I'd pay another U$100 to have the Z3770 and 120GB SSD.

     

    So you have essentially one chassis with capability for either SOC CPU and Memory (or an "A" and "B" revision with minor changes and a slot for either LTE/GPS or just GPS, possibly externally accessible (type of thing that should be an option and not a seperate model). Pocket sized or hand held form factors.

     

    Blue skying I'd add a standard docking connecter for all with power, USB 3.0, and HDMI. You could either have a flat locking dock for automotive and a desktop dock supporting dual monitors (HDMI and VGA), powered USB 3.0 x 2 or 3, and RJ45.

     

    Leave the other peripherals (keyboard, mouse, cables, DVD drive, external drive, monitors or TV) to the mass marketters. License the dock connector to the aftermarket and any other mfr who wants to use.

     

    I suspect that something like that coupled with aggresive factual marketting of the omni-use capability (heck, i even have a cable TV app, my W3 can be a cable box for a guest TV or just a monitor and speakers can be a TV with HD...).

     

    Have thought for some time that this is the time for tablets to stop being nitch devices and start taking over everything and by having one personal device for *everything* you can save money in the process. Even act as a remote for a big screen.

     

    Just a matter of having the will to change the world (actually the world has already changed, it just hasn't noticed yet.)

     

     

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    16th: Lenovo just announced the 8" Miix 2. Still no concrete specs on any of the small Bay Trail Tabs other than Dell said it was using the Z3740D.

     

    If I have a choice the next tab I buy must have either a Z3770 or Z3470 - no "D".

  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    BTW don't know if Intel is doing but have seen before.

    1) Test die at 2.6 GHZ. If passes mark z3770

    2) Remainder test at 2.0 GHZ - pass mark z3470, fail recycle.

  • billsey
    billsey ACE Posts: 34,584 Trailblazer

    That was the procedure we used back when I worked there... The only change was that if marketing decided they needed more of the lower grade product than would normally be produced by failures at full speed we'd just label some of the higher speed chips as lower speed. It's one of the main reasons why so many systems can be overclocked.

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  • billsey
    billsey ACE Posts: 34,584 Trailblazer

    Looks like Engadget just blurbed a release announcement for the W4.

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  • padgett
    padgett ACE Posts: 4,532 Pathfinder

    It is several places now but the most important spec is missing: which SOC/CPU. Can tell the Toshiba and Lenovo have the real deal - no "D" but that was conspicuously missing from the W4 blurbs. Sad part is that no one seems to have noticed. Suspect they will.

     

    Bit more conjecture leads to the supposition that there are really only two chip dies the Z37x0 (dual channel) and the Z37x0D (single channel). These are then selected by speed: one that can sustain more reliably becone Z3770s, not so good Z3740s. Have seen this before in ICs. Note that all four use the same socket: UTFCBGA1380. Might be just one die with a memory select. I have not been able to find the socket pinout. Yet.

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