Predator Orion 5000 PO5-640 it goes to 85 degree on CPU intensive game, looking for cooling upgrade

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  • Thenub97
    Thenub97 Member Posts: 9

    Tinkerer

    From what I’m seeing, it’s looking like the Thermalright phantom spirit and the Deepcool ag620 he installed perform better than the Noctua NH-U12a, at least according to a lot of reviews and benchmark tests I’ve looked up. They’re also a fraction of the price which never hurts and have ARGB fan options which matches the rest of my machine. Not opposed to the noctua by any means, it’s just seeming like the Thermalright is a better cooler, unless im looking up all the wrong benchmarks

  • chugzilla
    chugzilla Member Posts: 729 Seasoned Specialist WiFi Icon

    well, every test will vary and what they use for their test machine we won't have the same specs, Yanno. i like Noctua because you know you're getting quality not Chinese junk. and when i got my Noctua none of them were available. ide rather pay more for quality. but as i said before it's your choice. most avoid Noctua because of the cost and there is a reason they charge more its higher quality. i would never use anything else.

  • Thenub97
    Thenub97 Member Posts: 9

    Tinkerer

    UPDATE: Thank you all for the help, ended up going with the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120se and boy, what a difference! This was my first PC mod and it was way more straight forward than I anticipated. I have an i7 13700k and was seeing temps 88-95 while playing some games (in this case Train Sim World 3: Cajon Pass), now I’m seeing temps at like 58-62. Ran a benchmark before and after and went from hitting 100 right away and thermal throttling the whole time to not even breaking 90 and being power limited. Thanks again all for the advice!

  • chugzilla
    chugzilla Member Posts: 729 Seasoned Specialist WiFi Icon

    looks good bro it almost makes me want to get one ha-ha. maybe for my next build.

  • chugzilla
    chugzilla Member Posts: 729 Seasoned Specialist WiFi Icon

    what model and what are your ambient room temperatures?

  • qzstr
    qzstr Member Posts: 2 New User

    Hello, just dropping my 5 cents on solution to fix the overheating issues on my P05-640. I do not think it is OK to see 90 temps on partial load and thermal throttling on basically anything even slightly heavier.

    Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 RGB can be installed with relatively easy mods if you have any basic knowledge on mechanical and PC electronics related stuff. You do need to remove the motherboard fully and modify the top fan mount plate or find some solution of your own for mounting. Also the top of PC will not be ”the cleanest” as the radiator is there. Thinking of printing a cover for this but most likely will leave as is.

    Other upgrades include Seasonic PSU (original was tripping a breaker when plugged in to 10A socket (not acceptable also!)) and 32GB ram.


    All the temps are down, benchmarks are up and I no longer am worried that the PSU will catch on fire :-D

    Here is a shot of the original cooler, check the amazingly bad contact to the CPU and just think to yourself while eyeballing this does this look rated to 200W+ of thermal load. Yeah ACER definitely cheped out on this (also).

  • chugzilla
    chugzilla Member Posts: 729 Seasoned Specialist WiFi Icon

    yeah, that's awesome and congrats i went with air cooling instead on my 640-5000. i put in a Noctua NH-U12A it works great and has been in there over a year now…i love it. added 4x16 DDR5-correction plate on CPU-new RX 7800 XT GPU-cooler master XG PLUS 850 platinum PSU-removed the HDD caddy and GPU bracket they block a lot of airflow from the front fans as does the front cover so i leave that off. now its a beast.

  • qzstr
    qzstr Member Posts: 2 New User

    Yes forgot to mention that I also drilled the HDD caddy out, as seen also in the pictures. Like the case actually, looks good and plenty of options for modding/expanding.

    Decided to go for the AIO because it transfers the heat out of the case so much nicer so GPU/MB/memory/everything is cooler → stuff lasts longer.

    Hoping this setup suits my sim racing needs for the next 2-4 years, at least now everything is running beastly well (I7-13700F, 4080, 32GB).

  • chugzilla
    chugzilla Member Posts: 729 Seasoned Specialist WiFi Icon

    yeah, it looks amazing i just don't trust AIO and prefer air cooling and with our 12700F we don't need AIO.

    and with all the fans i have i have no heat issues at all.

    soon I'll be dropping in a new MB to take advantage of options we don't have now.

    and eventually I'm getting a 7800X3D its best for gaming.

  • awe940
    awe940 Member Posts: 2 New User

    Was the install just as easy as the noctua cooler? No need to remove motherboard?

  • Frankbeans82
    Frankbeans82 Member Posts: 1 New User

    Planning on getting the PS as well. Did you have to do anything special to get it in place?

  • FriendlyUser
    FriendlyUser Member Posts: 1 New User

    Hey man I just got this PC yesterday, dose the Thermalright go in to the motherboard, and do you have to get any extra screws ?

  • Johnyknox2018
    Johnyknox2018 Member Posts: 3 New User
    edited December 4

    I haven't tried the Thermalright but can see its good value. It's likely to come with all the screws, thermal paste, plugs and wiring that is needed for the fitting. I know you can fit the Noctua that Chugzilla used without needing to change the backplate, but I'm not sure on the Thermalright.

    I just fitted the Coolermaster Masterliquid 240L ARGB to my P05-650 today - £58 from amazon. It has very good reviews.

    Quite a bit of work but that doesn't bother me, took about 2-3 hours. I didn't remove the motherboard completely though, just the top and mid plugged in cables, left the lower ones still plugged in and just tilted the uncrewed board to 90 degrees (after removing the graphics card and the extra SSD I had fitted). Easy access then to change the backplate.

    I've ordered a PO7-7000 top panel for the radiator but in meantime I've just used the two AMD CPU spare pump metal fittings (included in the fitting kit) as they do nicely for screw-on supports either side and inside of the top panel with flat rounded metal shelfs that tuck in between the radiator and fans which then hold the radiator/fan assembly neatly/securely in the same top panel position as the 120 radiator on the 7000.

    The middle plastic black top panel grill can be turned upside down then placed on top of the radiator (fits perfectly around the radiator as it is slightly larger) to cover any side gaps between the rad and rest of top panel. Looks really neat and doesn't change the top view of the lovely predator case other than the top grill panel rises towards the back rather than lowers towards the back.

    The argb CPU water pump looks great and the two argb radiator fans look identical to the case fans when they are spinning (the logo on the middle black fan areas are different but you can't see that when they are spinning).

    Both the radiator fans and CPU pump are ARGB and use the original CPU air cooler fan motherboard ARGB socket (the fitting kit has a 3 to one plug cable which sits neatly, using cable ties, hidden behind the motherboard back plate) so Acer PredatorSense controls the ARGB lighting and the radiator fan speeds in exactly the same way as the other case fans (individually or system wide).

    The CPU water pump plugs into the CPU fan socket. All the plugs in the kit are the same as the ones in the Predator. You don't need anything else apart from a good toolkit and a hot air blower to heat up the old CPU backplate a little so it peels off more easily (it is held on by double side dark tape). I did stick some double sided flat padding tape to the AMD CPU pump metal fittings flat rounded shelfs though to protect where they hold the radiator. I do not want to risk a pierced and leaking radiator!

    The CPU Temp difference is a real goal. My CPU was at 100 degrees C and thermal throttling when playing Cyberpunk 2077 and MSFS 24 in VR, now its 51 degrees C. Prior to fitting, CPU stress test rose the temp also to 100c and thermal throttling, now with coolermaster liquid cooler the stress test raised the temp to the mid 70s c, no thermal throttling so much better performance. All in all pretty easy to do and very worthwhile (in terms of better looks, performance and temps) as long as you're careful and aware how to safely use tools so not to damage anything.

  • Johnyknox2018
    Johnyknox2018 Member Posts: 3 New User

    I've made a video on all the stuff described above in that would help anyone who is considering fitting a liquid cooler to their Predator 5000 P05 - 650 or 640

  • AmigoSan
    AmigoSan Member Posts: 3 New User