Predator G3-572 memory upgrade

xapim

Hi everyone i wanted some help on which memory to buy to upgrade my predator helios 300 i know it says it only supports 16gb (the motherboard might support more not sure as all my previous acer suppoted more than what stated) so i wanted to buy maybe only one 16gb dimm and leave the other free or 2 x 8gb what is the best memory to get and what brand i always used kingston on my acer and all other laptops/desktops but as this is a gaming laptop there might be even better/faster memory than kingston as my 8gb with firefox, steam, bizzard and some other apps some games tend either to crash or say low memory if i close everything and use just one at once works fine so seems to me it's a memory issue 8gb it's not enough minimum 16 to start in my view.

Any advice on what to get i would be appreciated

brummyfan2

Hi,
You can upgrade up to 32GB for your model, PC4-17000 and PC4-19200 modules will work.
https://www.kingstonmemoryshop.co.uk/laptop/acer/predator-helios-300-series/acer-predator-helios-300-g3-572-72yf-laptop

Red-Sand

I'd like to add that you shouldn't get worked up over specific brands of RAM.

Changing stock ram to another "more expensive brand" is a complete waste of money.

ALL ram card chips are made by either Samsung, Hynix or Micron.

Brand names such as G skill, Kingston, Crucial etc all use chips from one of those manufacturers.

The brand name manufacturers basically buy the chips, set the PCB and bin the RAM.

Now overclocking performance *can* be effected by PCB but on a laptop the performance difference would be negligible.

So in short... 16gb RAM is plenty powerful enough and you wont see any difference on DDR4 performance between a 140$ set of Kingston and a 200$ set of G skill.

Also... when upgrading ram if you currently have a single 16gb card it will not perform (slightly) as well as 8gb X 2 due to the lack of dual channel functionality.

If you plan to upgrade to 32gb in the future then adding a 16gb card now is the way to go, but if you plan on staying at 16gb then I'd suggest dual 8gb sticks.

geekromi

brummyfan2 said:

Hi,
You can upgrade up to 32GB for your model, PC4-17000 and PC4-19200 modules will work.
https://www.kingstonmemoryshop.co.uk/laptop/acer/predator-helios-300-series/acer-predator-helios-300-g3-572-72yf-laptop

I would add even the PC4-21300 (2666Mhz) 16GB (X2)that are working flawlessy in dual channel in my helios 300 G3-572!(even if officially, the max supported frequency  is 2400Mhz!)

Red-Sand

Overall whatever RAM you decide to use, be sure to match its second RAM (added later) voltages, speed, size and cas latency to get the greatest benefit.

sri369

Also... no point spending more on second RAM with faster speeds when your existing is slower... cos slower + faster = both at slower speeds.

sri369

xapim said:

Yup true both of you are completely right always buy the same speed and if possible same brand to work with dual channel or else there's no point on spending money on it

One most important thing... 16 GB is pretty more than enough for all desktop games and applications. Unless you are running server systems or multiple virtual machines (like I do) you won't need more than 16. I can comfortably run a VM plus other tasks outside of VM, all at the same time, very comfortably on this system. Just make sure to optimize your system well.

One program I can recommend is Tune Up Utilities... this program allows to disable and enable programs/services on the fly without user even noticing. For example, VMware comes with a bunch of services that are started on system startup. I have VMWare specific services disabled. But when I start the VMware application, it auto turns on the necessary services. The start up time of application might be hindered by a few "unnoticeable" seconds, but it is worth it cos it keep most as-needed services off. This too helps achieve more productivity with the system resources.

See the below screenshot. The services I marked as disabled are turned on as needed only when I launch the application, and turned off within a few minutes of me stopping using that app. Now notice the bars on the left side - system load points are reduced by as much as 50% :-) That's a significant gain in terms of performance (since all these otherwise active services are now off).

Balatekie

xapim said:

Anyone here could light me up in what is the best way to clone the predator m.2 ssd to another m.2 ssd i was looking at this ( StarTech.com Dual M.2 NGFF SATA Adapter with RAID) and then using easeus partition master  or any other software but is this the best way to do it or is there a better way i cloned loads of hdd/sshd but because i only have one m.2 slot dunno what is the best way for it

Please have a look to the discussion 
https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/550104/cloning-internal-c-m2-ssd-drive

Balatekie

Hi @xapim , 

You are welcome and thank you,  

Red-Sand

xapim said:

Well now i did it lol bought the WD Blue 3D NAND 2TB PC SSD and 2 x 16GB Kingston HyperX Impact 2666MHz DDR4 PC4-21300 CL15 and the StarTech.com Dual M.2 NGFF SATA Adapter with RAID im in big trouble now lol already spent more that what i paid for the laptop but it's well worth it and it's on finance or else i couldn't make it lol (mean machine )

Some serious hardware!
Congrats! 😁

sri369

xapim said:

Running on vmware ? well to tell the truth i hate windows 10 personally 7 and xp are much better in my view so ill think in either keeping 10 and run vmware or something else i have to reset the os anyway as captcha on firefox isn't working after the july update messed up everything so anytime i have to login with captcha somewhere have to use either chrome IE or any other (edge is the worst browser i had ever seen) and it's annoying as i have everything saves on my FF account

In that case, go to 7. I installed 7 on my g3-572 for some amazing performance improvements. Do not go to Linux or such though cos of limited driver support, to my knowledge.

Plus... one more thing... You could install linux onto a USB stick and use it from there to ensure you have all the needed drivers before installing it to your hard disk.

Coming to FF, try using Waterfox; it is built out of the forked version of Firefox before they updated the underlying architecture. It is more stable too.

sri369

https://blog.waterfoxproject.org/waterfox-56.2.2-release-download

Mozilla Foundation Security Advisories patched:

• 2018-15/14

Use this instead... supports older addons and all, plus is updated regularly.

brummyfan2

Hi,
You can upgrade up to 32GB for your model, PC4-17000 and PC4-19200 modules will work.
https://www.kingstonmemoryshop.co.uk/laptop/acer/predator-helios-300-series/acer-predator-helios-300-g3-572-72yf-laptop

Red-Sand

I'd like to add that you shouldn't get worked up over specific brands of RAM.

Changing stock ram to another "more expensive brand" is a complete waste of money.

ALL ram card chips are made by either Samsung, Hynix or Micron.

Brand names such as G skill, Kingston, Crucial etc all use chips from one of those manufacturers.

The brand name manufacturers basically buy the chips, set the PCB and bin the RAM.

Now overclocking performance *can* be effected by PCB but on a laptop the performance difference would be negligible.

So in short... 16gb RAM is plenty powerful enough and you wont see any difference on DDR4 performance between a 140$ set of Kingston and a 200$ set of G skill.

Also... when upgrading ram if you currently have a single 16gb card it will not perform (slightly) as well as 8gb X 2 due to the lack of dual channel functionality.

If you plan to upgrade to 32gb in the future then adding a 16gb card now is the way to go, but if you plan on staying at 16gb then I'd suggest dual 8gb sticks.

brummyfan2

Red-Sand said:

I'd like to add that you shouldn't get worked up over specific brands of RAM.

Changing stock ram to another "more expensive brand" is a complete waste of money.

ALL ram card chips are made by either Samsung, Hynix or Micron.

Brand names such as G skill, Kingston, Crucial etc all use chips from one of those manufacturers.

The brand name manufacturers basically buy the chips, set the PCB and bin the RAM.

Now overclocking performance *can* be effected by PCB but on a laptop the performance difference would be negligible.

So in short... 16gb RAM is plenty powerful enough and you wont see any difference on DDR4 performance between a 140$ set of Kingston and a 200$ set of G skill.

Also... when upgrading ram if you currently have a single 16gb card it will not perform (slightly) as well as 8gb X 2 due to the lack of dual channel functionality.

If you plan to upgrade to 32gb in the future then adding a 16gb card now is the way to go, but if you plan on staying at 16gb then I'd suggest dual 8gb sticks.

Very good explanation 

geekromi

brummyfan2 said:

Hi,
You can upgrade up to 32GB for your model, PC4-17000 and PC4-19200 modules will work.
https://www.kingstonmemoryshop.co.uk/laptop/acer/predator-helios-300-series/acer-predator-helios-300-g3-572-72yf-laptop

I would add even the PC4-21300 (2666Mhz) 16GB (X2)that are working flawlessy in dual channel in my helios 300 G3-572!(even if officially, the max supported frequency  is 2400Mhz!)

xapim

Red-Sand said:

I'd like to add that you shouldn't get worked up over specific brands of RAM.

Changing stock ram to another "more expensive brand" is a complete waste of money.

ALL ram card chips are made by either Samsung, Hynix or Micron.

Brand names such as G skill, Kingston, Crucial etc all use chips from one of those manufacturers.

The brand name manufacturers basically buy the chips, set the PCB and bin the RAM.

Now overclocking performance *can* be effected by PCB but on a laptop the performance difference would be negligible.

So in short... 16gb RAM is plenty powerful enough and you wont see any difference on DDR4 performance between a 140$ set of Kingston and a 200$ set of G skill.

Also... when upgrading ram if you currently have a single 16gb card it will not perform (slightly) as well as 8gb X 2 due to the lack of dual channel functionality.

If you plan to upgrade to 32gb in the future then adding a 16gb card now is the way to go, but if you plan on staying at 16gb then I'd suggest dual 8gb sticks.

Thanks for the good explanation and yes i am planning to upgrade to 32gb in future so i think i will be looking for a 16gb stick to start

xapim

geekromi said:

brummyfan2 said:

Hi,
You can upgrade up to 32GB for your model, PC4-17000 and PC4-19200 modules will work.
https://www.kingstonmemoryshop.co.uk/laptop/acer/predator-helios-300-series/acer-predator-helios-300-g3-572-72yf-laptop

I would add even the PC4-21300 (2666Mhz) 16GB (X2)that are working flawlessy in dual channel in my helios 300 G3-572!(even if officially, the max supported frequency  is 2400Mhz!)

Thanks for all the help i never used crucial before always used kingston and never had issues so im guessing i will stick with it

xapim

So just to clarify this is what i will be looking at:

16GB Kingston HyperX Impact 2666MHz DDR4 PC4-21300 CL15 1.2V SO-DIMM

geekromi

xapim said:

So just to clarify this is what i will be looking at:

16GB Kingston HyperX Impact 2666MHz DDR4 PC4-21300 CL15 1.2V SO-DIMM

Are you talkin' about 2X8 Gb or a single 16 gb?

xapim

geekromi said:

xapim said:

So just to clarify this is what i will be looking at:

16GB Kingston HyperX Impact 2666MHz DDR4 PC4-21300 CL15 1.2V SO-DIMM

Are you talkin' about 2X8 Gb or a single 16 gb?

One single 16 to upgrade to another later

geekromi

xapim said:

geekromi said:

xapim said:

So just to clarify this is what i will be looking at:

16GB Kingston HyperX Impact 2666MHz DDR4 PC4-21300 CL15 1.2V SO-DIMM

Are you talkin' about 2X8 Gb or a single 16 gb?

One single 16 to upgrade to another later

If I can give you a suggestion, you could give a try to the 16gb Crucial 2666Mhz  that has the same chip of the Kingston (Micron) and maybe could be less expensive even if it has a CL19 instead of 15 of the Kingston one.

xapim

geekromi said:

xapim said:

geekromi said:

xapim said:

So just to clarify this is what i will be looking at:

16GB Kingston HyperX Impact 2666MHz DDR4 PC4-21300 CL15 1.2V SO-DIMM

Are you talkin' about 2X8 Gb or a single 16 gb?

One single 16 to upgrade to another later

If I can give you a suggestion, you could give a try to the 16gb Crucial 2666Mhz  that has the same chip of the Kingston (Micron) and maybe could be less expensive even if it has a CL19 instead of 15 of the Kingston one.

I have been seeing crucial for awhile but dunno if it's good or not never tried it before as i said i have always been a kingston user and was also looking at the G Skill but ill check the prices and if worth it i might give it a try thanks for the suggestion i will also be looking to upgrade my m.2 128 ssd to a 1tb i was looking at the nvme WD ones as the samsung ones are really expensive

Red-Sand

Overall whatever RAM you decide to use, be sure to match its second RAM (added later) voltages, speed, size and cas latency to get the greatest benefit.

sri369

Also... no point spending more on second RAM with faster speeds when your existing is slower... cos slower + faster = both at slower speeds.

xapim

Yup true both of you are completely right always buy the same speed and if possible same brand to work with dual channel or else there's no point on spending money on it

sri369

xapim said:

Yup true both of you are completely right always buy the same speed and if possible same brand to work with dual channel or else there's no point on spending money on it

One most important thing... 16 GB is pretty more than enough for all desktop games and applications. Unless you are running server systems or multiple virtual machines (like I do) you won't need more than 16. I can comfortably run a VM plus other tasks outside of VM, all at the same time, very comfortably on this system. Just make sure to optimize your system well.

One program I can recommend is Tune Up Utilities... this program allows to disable and enable programs/services on the fly without user even noticing. For example, VMware comes with a bunch of services that are started on system startup. I have VMWare specific services disabled. But when I start the VMware application, it auto turns on the necessary services. The start up time of application might be hindered by a few "unnoticeable" seconds, but it is worth it cos it keep most as-needed services off. This too helps achieve more productivity with the system resources.

See the below screenshot. The services I marked as disabled are turned on as needed only when I launch the application, and turned off within a few minutes of me stopping using that app. Now notice the bars on the left side - system load points are reduced by as much as 50% :-) That's a significant gain in terms of performance (since all these otherwise active services are now off).

xapim

sri369 said:

xapim said:

Yup true both of you are completely right always buy the same speed and if possible same brand to work with dual channel or else there's no point on spending money on it

One most important thing... 16 GB is pretty more than enough for all desktop games and applications. Unless you are running server systems or multiple virtual machines (like I do) you won't need more than 16. I can comfortably run a VM plus other tasks outside of VM, all at the same time, very comfortably on this system. Just make sure to optimize your system well.

One program I can recommend is Tune Up Utilities... this program allows to disable and enable programs/services on the fly without user even noticing. For example, VMware comes with a bunch of services that are started on system startup. I have VMWare specific services disabled. But when I start the VMware application, it auto turns on the necessary services. The start up time of application might be hindered by a few "unnoticeable" seconds, but it is worth it cos it keep most as-needed services off. This too helps achieve more productivity with the system resources.

See the below screenshot. The services I marked as disabled are turned on as needed only when I launch the application, and turned off within a few minutes of me stopping using that app. Now notice the bars on the left side - system load points are reduced by as much as 50% :-) That's a significant gain in terms of performance (since all these otherwise active services are now off).

oh i have loads of software running at the same time lets see if the 16gb will be enough for me because im one of those guys who overloads a pc to the max lol

xapim

Looking at you print i noticed installed programs 68 my pcs have a minimum of 200+ and going up so as i said in the previous post i stress test whatever comes to my hands lol

geekromi

xapim said:

So just to clarify this is what i will be looking at:

16GB Kingston HyperX Impact 2666MHz DDR4 PC4-21300 CL15 1.2V SO-DIMM

Excuse me but right now you have got installed a single 8Gb 2666 module, right? so you need to buy 2x 16 Gb  2666 Mhz to reach the max supported capacity , well, it will be not that cheap, be prepared to spend at least 300$!

xapim

geekromi said:

xapim said:

So just to clarify this is what i will be looking at:

16GB Kingston HyperX Impact 2666MHz DDR4 PC4-21300 CL15 1.2V SO-DIMM

Excuse me but right now you have got installed a single 8Gb 2666 module, right? so you need to buy 2x 16 Gb  2666 Mhz to reach the max supported capacity , well, it will be not that cheap, be prepared to spend at least 300$!

Hi yes i have 1x8gb and i want to buy 2x16 but one at each time i know its about £160 to £170 each 16gb

xapim

Just trying to decide if i stay with kingston (hiperx impact), G Skill or Crucial i am also getting a WD Blue 3D NAND 2TB PC SSD - SATA III 6 Gb/s M.2 2280 Solid State Drive - WDS200T2B0B (bloody expensive) and might get a 4tb hdd can only find seagate but i really had bad experiences with seagate my 2tb sshd stopped working after 2 months had to swapp it for a new one i really had a bad history with seagate mt toshiba 1tb sshd its flawless just wish toshiba would do 4tb or 3